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Old 30th October 2020, 01:44   #60501  |  Link
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i take the static information and the description from madshi into account to get to my results that doesn't mean i'm correct.
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Old 30th October 2020, 03:43   #60502  |  Link
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So that was a bust on the 3070 attempt. I've been using nvidia for a while (GTX 1650S) mainly because of auto HDR switching and G-Sync, but the former is working with AMD as well? Also with madVR's frame rate calibration? Since the new AMDs will have VRR I think I'll be okay with the 6800 if these issues are solved.
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Old 30th October 2020, 04:12   #60503  |  Link
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Don't get me started on trying to buy a 30x0 card. I've been after a 3080 since they came out so I can crank up some settings in a couple of my madvr profiles. I looked at the 3070 this morning but the situation hasn't improved with online retailers... Was able to add to cart but was gone before I could checkout. We've discussed it in the hardware thread. The AMD cards do look compelling.

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Old 30th October 2020, 04:32   #60504  |  Link
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Don't get me started on trying to buy a 30x0 card. I've been after a 3080 since they came out so I can crank up some settings in a couple of my madvr profiles. I looked at the 3070 this morning but the situation hasn't improved with online retailers... Was able to add to cart but was gone before I could checkout. We've discussed it in the hardware thread. The AMD cards do look compelling.

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I am going to be building a new htpc soon for another location. Could you elaborate a bit for me on the AMD stuff?
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Old 30th October 2020, 11:16   #60505  |  Link
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they have on paper competing GPU it will take 3 more weeks before we know for sure and they get independently tested to confirm there claims and maybe even longer before we hear about issues with madVR there is something already showing up for 3000 series but as always stay calm.
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Old 30th October 2020, 11:58   #60506  |  Link
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What is showing up already for rtx30 madvr related?
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Old 30th October 2020, 12:09   #60507  |  Link
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there is one case with overblown HDR just chill for now.

edit: BTW. you complained about low YT quality right? there seems to be a major issue with the current AMD driver and web browser.
try this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRUrlZFty3A it looks horrific on my system if you load the same stream into let'S mpc-be it fine.
this is my last word about this in this topic if you want to discuss this in more detail feel free to do so in the driver thread.

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Old 30th October 2020, 12:10   #60508  |  Link
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What is showing up already for rtx30 madvr related?
10bits support over HDMI, which is good news for those with a 40gb/s limited HDMI 2.1 TV set.

The 4K120 bug doesn't really concern madVR users, unless they use smooth motion at 4K I guess. The workaround seems to be to disable VRR and ALMM.

Some reported issues with HDR, but they have been very vague so I'm not sure what they are.
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If you know more please let me know on the driver thread. If there is a workaround or anything new to last recommended driver please let me also know.
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If you know more please let me know on the driver thread. If there is a workaround or anything new to last recommended driver please let me also know.
Nothing more than above at this stage.

I'll know more when I get my hands on a 3xxx series...

EDIT: Just managed to pre-order a Zotac 3090 Trinity with a delivery date of November 10... We'll see if that one will get cancelled like the EVGA one that never arrived...
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Old 30th October 2020, 13:29   #60511  |  Link
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Nothing more than above at this stage.

I'll know more when I get my hands on a 3xxx series...

EDIT: Just managed to pre-order a Zotac 3090 Trinity with a delivery date of November 10... We'll see if that one will get cancelled like the EVGA one that never arrived...
3090 so nice, lucky
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Asmodian:

For smooth motion - does it double the rendering time since it is doubling the frame output?

Do you still have your display set to 23.976?

And does it have the dreaded 'soap opera' effect?

PS - I know beta 113 is not compatible with smooth motion - just asking for when this is fixed in future releases.
1. No (It will use more processing but not what your thinking)
2. Probably or a multiple of depending on content
3. No

It's not a interpolation feature and will not introduce a soap opera effect. Read this Wiki https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/MadVR_Expert_Guide

Congratulations on the the CEDIA award madshi. What a year. Well deserved.

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I am going to be building a new htpc soon for another location. Could you elaborate a bit for me on the AMD stuff?
As huhn said, they appear to have a competitive card out now in the 6800 XT. But we don't know yet what the real benchmarks will be or how it would perform in madvr. One can surmise that it would do quite well based on what we've seen so far. It's something to keep an eye on.

The only caveat I PERSONALLY have is that I hold out hope that at some point we may see tensor core algorithms but most people shouldn't care for several reasons. First, they don't exist today. Second, there's a very real chance that they won't make it to madvr and will instead be exclusive to the Envy. So making a choice of video card today based on a hypothetical future thing that has a low probability of happening is not something 99.9% of people should be doing. They should instead look at the best bang for buck and that really could be AMD right now. We'll know more soon.
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As huhn said, they appear to have a competitive card out now in the 6800 XT. But we don't know yet what the real benchmarks will be or how it would perform in madvr. One can surmise that it would do quite well based on what we've seen so far. It's something to keep an eye on.

The only caveat I PERSONALLY have is that I hold out hope that at some point we may see tensor core algorithms but most people shouldn't care for several reasons. First, they don't exist today. Second, there's a very real chance that they won't make it to madvr and will instead be exclusive to the Envy. So making a choice of video card today based on a hypothetical future thing that has a low probability of happening is not something 99.9% of people should be doing. They should instead look at the best bang for buck and that really could be AMD right now. We'll know more soon.
tensor cores are not the only reason to think twice before going for amd. nvidia is the only way to set the bt2020 flag for those who use this to select a sdr bt2020 calibration automatically in their display, using an hd fury or not.

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AGS has an option for this but i'm not sure it can only be used with HDR.
so madshi has to nearly for sure update the API and that doesn't mean it works...
and it's been a while since the last update.
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tensor cores are not the only reason to think twice before going for amd. nvidia is the only way to set the bt2020 flag for those who use this to select a sdr bt2020 calibration automatically in their display, using an hd fury or not.

sorry but in a vm and no caps. will correct later
This is true. I don't calibrate SDR to bt2020 on my C8 so I always forget that people do this.
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This is true. I don't calibrate SDR to bt2020 on my C8 so I always forget that people do this.
Itís not for SDR, itís to tonemap HDR to SDR (BT2020 or P3). You use this when using pixel shader tonemapping. If you use HDR passthrough, it usually doesnít matter as an HDR calibration is selected.
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Right, yes I remember why people use it but as I output HDR on my C8 I don't have need to use that particular flag and forget that some people do.
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Finally sat down and just enjoyed watching some movies.

Using Beta 113

I feel like I have my PEAK nits set right - bright scenes are BRIGHT - and look amazing!

DARK scenes also look good, blacks are not washed out etc.

It's the 'middle' scenes that seem..... too dark to me... almost like my eyes feel 'strained' while watching. Is this something that the dynamic nits setting could help? Right now I am running 100 peak, 50 dynamic. If I upped it to 60, would that increase or decrease average brightness? Or is it inversely related to brightness like peak nits?
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It will impact everything. It can be tough to dial it in just right. You'll have to play with the dynamic setting to find the right mix. Also the curve you set has a lot to do with it, too, which is why those curves are in there. That's one of the things that was being tested with that build. And while there are a few curves that are popular, no one agreed on just one curve. And it wasn't even separated by PJ vs panel owners, either. It was varied across the board on what people liked. So yea, it's going to be tough to get a perfect PQ, but, you can get it pretty close.
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