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Old 27th December 2016, 08:16   #41761  |  Link
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Glad to help, and I hope it helps others as well.
You're right, with gamma 2.4 looks really great. The problem (happy problem) with gamma 2.2 is also excellent. Both, hdr and 8 or 10 bit movies. To be honest, I'm surprised with the quality of the oled tv. I lost my time buying led tv.
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Old 27th December 2016, 10:28   #41762  |  Link
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Edit: wait, don't set madVR to BT.2020 gamut, you only have 90% of DCI-P3, set DCI-P3 for gamut (or BT.709 with the TV set to standard gamut). 70% of a color space is not enough to consider it supported, even 90% isn't ideal.
@Asmodian, I did some tests. I keep gamma 2.4. looks great. In calibration leave bt.709 and pure power curve 2.4. I also have to activate Enable gamma processing in pure power curve 2.4?

On the TV only modify gamma to 2.4, I did not have to make any changes in the calibration of colors, brightness and contrast (is it normal?)
DCI-P3 and bt.2020 (not much difference between one and another) looks incredible with Hdr, but with bt.709 content not so much. Even after activating Wide Color Gamut. Madvr does an excellent job!
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Old 27th December 2016, 19:19   #41763  |  Link
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FYI, I just noticed that LAV Filters 0.69 has been released.

LAV Video

NEW: Support for 10-bit UtVideo
NEW: MagicYUV decoding support
NEW: Experimental support for CineformHD decoding
Fixed: Converting 12-bit 4:4:4 YCbCr to RGB32 would result in a garbled image
Fixed: Decoding certain H.264 streams could drop a few frames at the start of playback
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Old 27th December 2016, 19:47   #41764  |  Link
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I also have to activate Enable gamma processing in pure power curve 2.4?
Nope, only set it on your TV and tell madVR what your TV is set to, gamma processing is for changing it from what your TV is set to.

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On the TV only modify gamma to 2.4, I did not have to make any changes in the calibration of colors, brightness and contrast (is it normal?)
Yes, perfectly normal.

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DCI-P3 and bt.2020 (not much difference between one and another) looks incredible with Hdr, but with bt.709 content not so much. Even after activating Wide Color Gamut. Madvr does an excellent job!
Sounds good then. If you have your TV set to wide gamut madVR needs to be set to DCI-P3 to get more correct colors. However your TV is much more accurate when set to standard gamut (madVR set to BT.709). Don't stress too much if you like the TV in wide gamut with madVR in BT.709, the reason it is not as accurate in wide gamut mode is so that it looks better with BT.709 content in wide gamut mode (but worse with DCI-P3/HDR content).
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Old 28th December 2016, 00:13   #41765  |  Link
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Nope, only set it on your TV and tell madVR what your TV is set to, gamma processing is for changing it from what your TV is set to.
I turned the switch to 2.2. Some changes I will have to make in the configuration, because I do not get used to how the skin tones are. (very strong). not bad. Is that I'm not used to it. Then I'll take a screenshot from the tv app and upload it.
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Old 28th December 2016, 08:14   #41766  |  Link
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Couple of questions:

Is it recommended to use "process HDR content" without an HDR display?

When I specify a 3DLUT, for any of the 2 options on the hdr page, it says wrong input/format for madvr.

Do I make a bt.709 lut or a bt.2020 lut for bt.2020 content on a normal gamut display (100% srgb)?

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Old 28th December 2016, 11:12   #41767  |  Link
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Did somebody compared MadVR vs Sonys latest released X-Realtiy PP especially the Super Resolution Upscaler, compared to a relative price point optimized consumer Product like the XD80 series ?
What about Samsungs KS7000/8000 SAIT R&D improvements, they currently seem to win a lot of prices visualy not only from the Panel part itself but their FRC conversion seems to have reached the most stable state including the BFI could be even intersting comparing vs SVP and AMD Fluid Motion by now.


NGU vs Sony and Samsung with the ability to analyze Stream input in Realtime and adapt could be interesting

Panasonic is also doing some crazy stuff creating for each Frame a Histogram and adapt that to get better contrast and depth from inputs, also Samsung seems todo something similiar since some time now

AVG user seem to accept and like the upscaling results from X-Reality same for Panasonic HCX and HCX+ named PP.

It seems only the relatively cheap stuff fails heavily but the higher price points by now seem to not produce so bad results from the past.

seems also we reach now virtually in many devices at acceptable price points almost the Full REC 709 space and even some relative cheap devices come perfectly pre calibrated some even with native 120 HZ Panels and upto blasting 500 cd/m with those Ultra HD Premium peaks of 1000 at some higher cost from that half hit for some seconds stable.

Pretty impresed of the state now with HDR BT 2020 the new target, we finally reached Blu-Ray Master Quality and with 4K aquisition entering also pro sumer space and entry we even hit 1080 4:2:2 chroma it seems for the mass market, though native 10 bit is now at the Premium Level at least has left Professional only space and 12 bit being the next thing in preparation after 10 bit reached the Mainstream market.

I wonder now how long it will take from 10 bit to move from Premium to Mainstream finally, counting the days
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Old 28th December 2016, 21:06   #41768  |  Link
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Seems I got a random Crash with this error

exception number : 1
exception class : Exception
exception message : Zugriffsverletzung bei Adresse $61a07805 in Modul 'XySubFilter.dll'. Lesen von Adresse $0.

No idea what could had caused it (?)

EDIT:: Also quite curious why the error is in German

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Old 29th December 2016, 20:05   #41769  |  Link
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A couple of questions:

- In my old TV (only limited range), I had madVR (limited) - Graphics card (Full, with madLevelsTweaker) - TV (Limited). Now Iīve purchased a new one that accepts Full range. Shoud I use the same settings or change everithing to Full range?

- This TV has also a game mode that can do chroma 4:4:4, shoud I use this mode for madVR?

- In the rtings page says that is a 10 bit panel (Sony KDL 43W808c), in madVR settings In devices - properties I put 10 bit (or higher) and I use enable automatic fullscreen exclusive mode and use Direct3D 11 for presentation. Is this right even if the source isnīt 10 bit? It is an Optimus PC (GTX 960m and Intel HD 530). I donīt even know if the Intel card can do 10 bit.

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Old 29th December 2016, 21:07   #41770  |  Link
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Yes to all 3.

10-bit is good for any content. When converting from 8-bit YCbCr the RGB bit depth is greater than 8-bit, same with resizing.
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Old 29th December 2016, 21:47   #41771  |  Link
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Yes to all 3.

10-bit is good for any content. When converting from 8-bit YCbCr the RGB bit depth is greater than 8-bit, same with resizing.
4K 4:4:4 10 bit does not exceed the limits of HDMI 2.0?

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4K 4:4:4 10 bit does not exceed the limits of HDMI 2.0?
At 60Hz it does, but the majority of people don't have a 4K TV yet (like the person who asked above, the model he listed is FullHD)
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4K 4:4:4 10 bit does not exceed the limits of HDMI 2.0?
only for anything above 2160p30....
since most video is 23.976fps, you can do 23.976Hz at 2160p 4:4:4 10bit...
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Thanks for the answer. I am actually using a 4K TV with a GTX 970 through HDMI 1.4a.
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NGU vs Sony and Samsung with the ability to analyze Stream input in Realtime and adapt could be interesting
NGU goes overboard and crash and burns why do you want to compare it?
but maybe its hard to see on a LCD/OLED tv with only 300 lines of motion resolution lol
its still blurry as hell.

for plasma users NGU looks crap
i get the same effect if i bump up sharpness +20.
Hello to flickering chainsaw edges and morie patterns all over the image.

NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Back to the drawing table madshi
and one tip: use a proper tv to evaluate your scaling algorithms

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Old 30th December 2016, 23:06   #41776  |  Link
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If you like nnedi sharpness (without SuperRes) you can use NGU + Soften Edges 3 to kill sharpness and get nnedi (without SuperRes) sharpness level.
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NGU goes overboard and crash and burns why do you want to compare it?
but maybe its hard to see on a LCD/OLED tv with only 300 lines of motion resolution lol
its still blurry as hell.

for plasma users NGU looks crap
i get the same effect if i bump up sharpness +20.
Hello to flickering chainsaw edges and morie patterns all over the image.

NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Back to the drawing table madshi
and one tip: use a proper tv to evaluate your scaling algorithms
300 lines is a little extreme low KS Series isnt that bad in most ISF Calibrator Certified tests according to them non native Samsung can even reach full 1080 lines with their PP

300 nativ would be rather the lower price range Performance.
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just ignore it. it is not a secret that sony with impulse mode and samsung with BFI do 2160 lines... just move on...

without bfi and black light strob you will get 300 lines of motion resolution. which is only one part of motion plasma rainbow...
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300 ?

its double of that in the KS series entry level on a native 120 Hz Panel if you turn BFI (Clear Motion) off

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without setting you are wasting your time.
motion interpolation increase this too.

as long as a displays is sample hold it will stay at 300 lines for 60 FPS.
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