madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[oldpainlesskodi]

Originally Posted by madjock

Ah ok but better or worse, tried NGU and I can not see a difference tbh, the numbers stayed the same as far as I can tell.

There are about 3 points difference on my rig, so I seem to be getting better blacks with Jinc, again, could just be my setup.

Update- compared both again on the fly again and the difference is way more that 3 on the black clipping test.

[madjock]

Originally Posted by oldpainlesskodi

There are about 3 points difference on my rig, so I seem to be getting better blacks with Jinc, again, could just be my setup.

Update- compared both again on the fly again and the difference is way more that 3 on the black clipping test.

This is what I get

https://imgur.com/a/S6KyraL

[oldpainlesskodi]

Originally Posted by madjock

This is what I get

https://imgur.com/a/S6KyraL

Do you get any difference between NGU and Jinc on the clipping test at 23p (upscaling Luma to 4k)? My chain is Full-Full-Full RGB Range.

[madjock]

Originally Posted by oldpainlesskodi

Do you get any difference between NGU and Jinc on the clipping test at 23p (upscaling Luma to 4k)?

No both look the same to me.

Yeah all on Full here as well.

I would have thought more would have mentioned in the past, maybe others can confirm.

[oldpainlesskodi]

Originally Posted by madjock

No both look the same to me.

Odd. Ok, thanks for looking anyway.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by oldpainlesskodi

Odd. Ok, thanks for looking anyway.

oldpainlesskodi, what did you calibrate your monitor with, I had similar black lvl problems when I used a spyder5, I've since switched to i1dp, and black lvl issues are gone.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

Yeah, thanks to you and nevcariel I arrived at that product... what can I say? I think your forecast of three years is wildly optimistic. But I obviously hope you are right.

China moves FAST.. and this is not all new tooling like the development of OLED.

It's all done on Existing va/ips- panel machines.

20,000:1, here we come..

(TBH, 5000:1 VA already looks pretty good, unless the room is pitch black)

[oldpainlesskodi]

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

oldpainlesskodi, what did you calibrate your monitor with, I had similar black lvl problems when I used a spyder5, I've since switched to i1dp, and black lvl issues are gone.

A dark room, my eyes, and, lots of coffee....lots of coffee lol.

It's not so much which one is correct, but with the same TV settings, I get very different Black levels between NGU and Jinc.

[alexnt]

Does any one use madvr with amd?? If so what is the usage of cpu and gpu(in tools like core temp and gpuz, not in task manager). I believe that cpu takes an amount of load from the gpu in decoding and so multiplier never goes under x35. Gpu has an amount of load but not that much as I remember some time ago. Gpu clock is aroung 500mhz and cpu 3500 when playing a movie. I believe this is weird.

[madjock]

Originally Posted by alexnt

Does any one use madvr with amd?? If so what is the usage of cpu and gpu(in tools like core temp and gpuz, not in task manager). I believe that cpu takes an amount of load from the gpu in decoding and so multiplier never goes under x35. Gpu has an amount of load but not that much as I remember some time ago. Gpu clock is aroung 500mhz and cpu 3500 when playing a movie. I believe this is weird.

Does playing a video without madVR not do the same thing ?

Your Core Temp is a little out of date ?

You -> Version 1.0 RC8 - 21st February, 2016
Now - Version 1.13 - 8th January, 2019

You also had Opera/Firefox and Skype open in the screenshot, my multiplier is up at 38x and I have nothing open, its the load more than the multiplier as I am on High Performance so I would assume the CPU will kick in quicker. but I do not think all the load you showed was from madVR. It does not share loads anyway, if the GPU is selected it will do all the work.

Task Manager will show you where the load is going.

[el Filou]

Calibration test patterns are not the ideal tool to test the differences between upscalers tbh.
Is that black level difference between Jinc and NGU visible in real scenes?

Edit: regarding that new LCD tech, I'll believe it when I see it in mass production at affordable prices. The liquid crystals in the subpixels are already a light modulation layer, so what are they doing here? Adding another layer of liquid crystals on top? Or is it another tech? If it's another tech, why don't they just replace the existing liquid crystals in the subpixels with that new tech?
That just sounds like throwing brute force at a problem and it risks making LCD's other problems (off-axis viewing, response time) worse. It also could end up consuming more power than OLED which would be funny. I think this tech is bound to be limited to professional displays like medical and studio mastering.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by el Filou

Calibration test patterns are not the ideal tool to test the differences between upscalers tbh.
Is that black level difference between Jinc and NGU visible in real scenes?

Edit: regarding that new LCD tech, I'll believe it when I see it in mass production at affordable prices. The liquid crystals in the subpixels are already a light modulation layer, so what are they doing here? Adding another layer of liquid crystals on top? Or is it another tech? If it's another tech, why don't they just replace the existing liquid crystals in the subpixels with that new tech?
That just sounds like throwing brute force at a problem and it risks making LCD's other problems (off-axis viewing, response time) worse. It also could end up consuming more power than OLED which would be funny. I think this tech is bound to be limited to professional displays like medical and studio mastering.

That's exactly what it is, it's a non color layer beneath the top color layer.

That's why it's NOT new tech, and why it can be implemented rapidly.

Using existing tech.

Not limited to medical/studio, it's already been demoed at ces.

[alexnt]

Originally Posted by madjock

Does playing a video without madVR not do the same thing ?

Your Core Temp is a little out of date ?

You -> Version 1.0 RC8 - 21st February, 2016
Now - Version 1.13 - 8th January, 2019

You also had Opera/Firefox and Skype open in the screenshot, my multiplier is up at 38x and I have nothing open, its the load more than the multiplier as I am on High Performance so I would assume the CPU will kick in quicker. but I do not think all the load you showed was from madVR. It does not share loads anyway, if the GPU is selected it will do all the work.

Task Manager will show you where the load is going.

I forgot to mention that my brother's rig with a 4670k(stock) and 660ti and similar madvr settings has not the same issue. Gpu clock stays over 1000mhz and multi goes down to x12.


You can have a look at the video
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uhhtk2zl0...91407.mp4?dl=0

Browsers are closed and skype too.
Gpu clock goes over 900mhz when movie starts and then falls.
The freezing is due to fullscreen exclusive. I never had this issue in the past but this is not a problem, I turn the option off.
As you can see cpu is around 30% in task manager but in coretemp it reaches 60-70-80% sometimes(this dowsn't show in this video) and gpu clock is not raising when mpc window gets bigger or even fullscreen.


Sorry for the video, it needs rotation.

https://postimg.cc/Js7C5n6c (noticed 2 instances of madvr?)

https://postimg.cc/vDdY6QsX (downloaded hevc 265 sample - lock cpu and gpu clocks)

https://postimg.cc/VrP8MF35 (same video as above 81% on core2 ??? madvr is gpu render)

[madjock]

Originally Posted by alexnt

I forgot to mention that my brother's rig with a 4670k(stock) and 660ti and similar madvr settings has not the same issue. Gpu clock stays over 1000mhz and multi goes down to x12.


You can have a look at the video
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uhhtk2zl0...91407.mp4?dl=0

Browsers are closed and skype too.
Gpu clock goes over 900mhz when movie starts and then falls.
The freezing is due to fullscreen exclusive. I never had this issue in the past but this is not a problem, I turn the option off.
As you can see cpu is around 30% in task manager but in coretemp it reaches 60-70-80% sometimes(this dowsn't show in this video) and gpu clock is not raising when mpc window gets bigger or even fullscreen.


Sorry for the video, it needs rotation.

https://postimg.cc/Js7C5n6c (noticed 2 instances of madvr?)

https://postimg.cc/vDdY6QsX (downloaded hevc 265 sample - lock cpu and gpu clocks)

https://postimg.cc/VrP8MF35 (same video as above 81% on core2 ??? madvr is gpu render)

Something strange with your setup, when I run a video in MPC-BE (maybe try that instead of HC), I dont even see a madVR in task manager.

Post a picture of your LAV Video settings as well please.

[ashlar42]

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

Not limited to medical/studio, it's already been demoed at ces.

As far as I understand, this is available in a couple of professional monitors at $20,000+ in smaller than 40" sizes.
As for "it's been demoed at CES", CLEDIS was demoed at CES and it went nowhere. There's serious hurdles to overcome to get to mass market in consumer sizes. But again: I wish you are right and we'll be able to buy perfect TVs in a couple of years.

[alexnt]

Originally Posted by madjock

Something strange with your setup, when I run a video in MPC-BE (maybe try that instead of HC), I dont even see a madVR in task manager.

Post a picture of your LAV Video settings as well please.

https://postimg.cc/DWS2T0Kd

the 2nd instance in task manager is when fullxscreen an back to window

same with mpc be

[tp4tissue]

Guys, I have a question about -Different LUTs-

If I want to use a gamma 2.4 (SDR) lut only for SDR material

and a gamma 2.2 lut for the (HDR -> SDR) material. <as recommended>


Is the only thing I have to do is put the gamma 2.4 (SDR) lut in the Rec709 lut box

and then put the gamma 2.2 (SDR) lut in the Rec2020 lut box

Right now, both my luts 2.2 and 2.4 were generated with source colorspace as rec709.

Does that work, or do I have to create a different gamma 2.2 lut with rec2020 as source colorspace in Dispcal.. ?

Do I need the following setting vv image below.

https://imgur.com/a/Vv7tLxy

[huhn]

you can load different LUT using profiles.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by alexnt

I forgot to mention that my brother's rig with a 4670k(stock) and 660ti and similar madvr settings has not the same issue. Gpu clock stays over 1000mhz and multi goes down to x12.


You can have a look at the video
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uhhtk2zl0...91407.mp4?dl=0

Browsers are closed and skype too.
Gpu clock goes over 900mhz when movie starts and then falls.
The freezing is due to fullscreen exclusive. I never had this issue in the past but this is not a problem, I turn the option off.
As you can see cpu is around 30% in task manager but in coretemp it reaches 60-70-80% sometimes(this dowsn't show in this video) and gpu clock is not raising when mpc window gets bigger or even fullscreen.


Sorry for the video, it needs rotation.

https://postimg.cc/Js7C5n6c (noticed 2 instances of madvr?)

https://postimg.cc/vDdY6QsX (downloaded hevc 265 sample - lock cpu and gpu clocks)

https://postimg.cc/VrP8MF35 (same video as above 81% on core2 ??? madvr is gpu render)

I don't understand why you think something may be going wrong.

Whatever is happening isn't some trick that's eating your CPU cycles for no reason. However many CPU cycles is taken, that's the correct amount necessary to do what you've asked the computer to do.

There is no process virus here stealing CPU cycles.

Different videos, Different SEGMENT of the SAME VIDEO, different CPUs, different Graphics cards will ALL TOGETHER, exhibit Different quantities of processing consumption, You're not comparing apples to apples.

Between fullscreen and windowed, full screen scales luma through ngu, windowed does not.

As for GPU clock Not going up higher, I don't think it needs to, because that is a very low bitrate file and you're not upscaling it by very much.

For the CPU load change, Check your cpu in HWmonitor, I'm not sure, but see if all cores are clocked to the same frequency, maybe on the windowed smaller screen mode, some cores are clocked lower, so it represents higher % of utilization during that moment.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by huhn

you can load different LUT using profiles.

I understand that, but what I mean is , if I am using HDR->SDR Shader, outputing SDR.

Does my Lut have to be created differently , as in the setting photo in my previous post. by setting the source colorspace to rec2020,


OR does madvr shader output HDR->SDR in Rec709