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Old 28th November 2018, 14:35   #53761  |  Link
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I have been working away for a bit, and have lost track of what is happening with madVR in the AVS forum, it just seems to be confusing graphs and the likes for a long time.

It looks like madshi has dropped out of the conversation as such, is this getting there, as I said all rather confusing on what is happening apart from everyone measuring their movies for NIT settings and fancy apps to display that info ?
I would think there would be a new build in the next week or two. It should be easy to understand at that point.
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Old 28th November 2018, 15:10   #53762  |  Link
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https://imgur.com/a/NR9RdG0 Hello everyone, explain why vsync 20.00ms and frame 40.00ms? should not it be 41.00ms and 41.00ms?
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Old 28th November 2018, 15:18   #53763  |  Link
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OM*G! Boys! FSE gives me smooth playback on the RTX 2080. THANK YOU SO MUCH! 👻😄
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Old 28th November 2018, 15:37   #53764  |  Link
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https://imgur.com/a/NR9RdG0 Hello everyone, explain why vsync 20.00ms and frame 40.00ms? should not it be 41.00ms and 41.00ms?
25 fps is 40ms per frame, 50Hz is 20ms per VSYNC. Because 1000 / 50 = 20.
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Old 28th November 2018, 15:42   #53765  |  Link
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so the statistics are ok? in fact this file, a TV series, is at 25fps.
I hope that the latest statistics with the last settings I made are good, I will ask you for advice on the HDR 4k in the future, hello to all and have a good day.
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Old 28th November 2018, 16:40   #53766  |  Link
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so the statistics are ok? in fact this file, a TV series, is at 25fps.
I hope that the latest statistics with the last settings I made are good, I will ask you for advice on the HDR 4k in the future, hello to all and have a good day.
Totally. They add up.

4K HDR functions very well in madVR these days so you should be able to use it without much hassle.

Have a good day

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Old 28th November 2018, 16:47   #53767  |  Link
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RE: choppy playback with newer cards and drivers and using FSE as workaround. I've noticed that some settings in madVR only apply when using windowed and therefor use more resources. When changed to FSE, the resources are not used and the settings are not applied afaik. I noticed this during playback when I switched from FSE into windowed by double clicking the player window field and the title would start to stutter. I created the ShowRenderSteps folder and noticed when windowed, many processes were present in madVR OSD. When I double clicked the player field and it goes back to FSE, those processes no longer showed and playback resources relaxed.

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https://www.thewindowsclub.com/enabl...ons-windows-10
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Old 28th November 2018, 17:41   #53768  |  Link
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RE: choppy playback with newer cards and drivers and using FSE as workaround. I've noticed that some settings in madVR only apply when using windowed and therefor use more resources. When changed to FSE, the resources are not used and the settings are not applied afaik. I noticed this during playback when I switched from FSE into windowed by double clicking the player window field and the title would start to stutter. I created the ShowRenderSteps folder and noticed when windowed, many processes were present in madVR OSD. When I double clicked the player field and it goes back to FSE, those processes no longer showed and playback resources relaxed.

This may also be of interest:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/enabl...ons-windows-10
Your scenario is worrisome, but it would explain the issues. That's too bad. So something is wrong with madVR FSE mode in conjunction with newer cards.

I'm not about to test this. I still have my GTX 1070 and I'm considering sending my RTX 2080 to @madshi, lol - if it could help him out in looking into these things - if it's even a MadVR issue.

Thanks for your test btw.

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Old 28th November 2018, 17:59   #53769  |  Link
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Don't be confused. I'm not using a newer card. I'm still using my GTX 960 4GB with newest drivers 417.01 and madVR v0.92.17 noticing what I posted. Thought it might be relevant no matter what card is being used and could aid you guys with newer stuff. New drivers were released a couple days ago fwiw. Now into the x17.xx branch. There are changes to the control panel, mainly for gamers like game ratings.
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Old 28th November 2018, 18:08   #53770  |  Link
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Don't be confused. I'm not using a newer card. I'm still using my GTX 960 4GB with newest drivers 417.01 and madVR v0.92.17 noticing what I posted. Thought it might be relevant no matter what card is being used and could aid you guys with newer stuff. New drivers were released a couple days ago fwiw. Now into the x17.xx branch. There are changes to the control panel, mainly for gamers like game ratings.
Oh my, that might explain what Warner once said over at the Kodi DSplayer thread where "some" Win10 distros didn't apply the settings that were actually set.. Maybe it's just a matter of FSE and FSWindowed not acting the same?

I'll let someone more knowledgeable than me take over.

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Old 28th November 2018, 22:04   #53771  |  Link
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I have been working away for a bit, and have lost track of what is happening with madVR in the AVS forum, it just seems to be confusing graphs and the likes for a long time.

It looks like madshi has dropped out of the conversation as such, is this getting there, as I said all rather confusing on what is happening apart from everyone measuring their movies for NIT settings and fancy apps to display that info ?
I think madshi is buttoning up a new release right now so things have slowed down in the AVS thread. As mentioned, we'll probably see it in the next couple weeks hopefully.

Those graphs/tools are being used by the guys/gals looking to do profiles for the HDR content to try to get better dynamic out of their displays. A lot of them are using displays with very low nits (projectors some with 50 nits max) so they're trying to find ways to squeeze out every last bit of detail they can. All of that is just people waiting on the next step in the HDR tonemapping progression while madshi pushes out a new official build. It's making them happy, but, you can safely ignore it for now as when madshi is at a "final solution" none of that should be necessary.
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Old 28th November 2018, 23:45   #53772  |  Link
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OM*G! Boys! FSE gives me smooth playback on the RTX 2080. THANK YOU SO MUCH! ����
Glad to hear that sorted out your issue. Not really encountering any issues in FSE and am happy to live with it.

Edit: After reading brazen1's post on FSE, I would like to do more testing. But have to say did not notice any big difference in PQ after FSE was enabled. Maybe I was focused too much on the stuttering.

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Old 29th November 2018, 03:56   #53773  |  Link
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I see no difference in FSE and FS windowed. Even showrendersteps has the same steps in both. I do get stuttering when switching from FSE to FS windowed but that is related to the queues flushing out. Everything goes back to normal once queues are full. GPU load is about the same in both as well.

Quite happy with FSE on my 2080 ti.
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Old 29th November 2018, 07:48   #53774  |  Link
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....

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  • Set the HDMI video range to Full or whatever Sony projectors call this setting to send RGB Full;
All the chian is in "full range" mode. Also the Sony projector.

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  • Disable highlight recovery strength in madVR to reduce the amount of image processing;
it was already disabled in my past tests.

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  • Find a scene with some banding and try considerably higher or lower target peak nits to see if the banding changes at all.
The banding changes. It "moves" into image but the banding amount is the same. Nits level in MadVr was 250. I moved to 100 and to 500 and the global amout of banding is still the same.

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Your projector might also have issues with RGB inputs compared to YCbCr.
This is the real point!
Yesterday I've done the following test:
Hooked up my HTPC to my LG OLED 65C8 tv.
When connected to this display into NVIDIA control panel (I've a GTX970) the option to send RGB@24hz 12bpc appears.
When the htpc was hooked up with Sony VW520ES projector the nvidia control panel only give me the possibility to connect me in RGB@24hz 8bpc.... I imagine that's because the sony projector has only hdmi ports @9Gbps.

Anyway first I've set nvidia control panel to work in RGB@24hz 8bpc. Set Madvr to see the display only 8bit compatible and activated ordered dithering.
The bandings that normally I can see on the Sony projector are vanished on Lg tv.

So this is the prove that Madvr works well in 8bit mode and what I've seen was only a problem of my sony pj with RGB signal input.

After this test I've set nvidia control panel to RGB@24hz 12bpc.
I've setted Madvr to ask to the display the bit depth.
Leaved ordered dithering.

When I've played my UHD HDR10 files I've seen (in full exclusive mode) madvr works in 10bit domain.

I've tested my reference scenes and bandings are not there. Sincerely I can't see any difference between my chain @8bit.

So my question is: With displays that accepts RGB@24hz 12bpc ... What is the best theorical setting?

is it better to set nvidia cp and madvr @8bit? or it's better to set the nividia cp@ 12bpc and madvr@10bit?

let me know.
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Old 29th November 2018, 13:45   #53775  |  Link
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It should work well at madVR 10-bit and Nvidia 12-bit RGB.

Did you compare straight HDR passthrough?
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Old 29th November 2018, 18:46   #53776  |  Link
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Hi guys,

first post first question

I set up madvr a while ago and it was working fine for me. not sure what I`ve done to my settings yet but madvr is not autmatically switching resolution on my 4k display. I have added all 2160p resolutions in the madvr and made sure the settings for auto switching are enabled in madvr. but for some reason it does not switch the screenmodes automatically... it just to work fine. not sure which setting I might have screwed up

thanks for help
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It should work well at madVR 10-bit and Nvidia 12-bit RGB.

Did you compare straight HDR passthrough?
Yes, I've tried also to set madvr (and windows) to pass hdr as is but on an RGB signal and the bandings still remain.

This Sony projector has problems with RGB input signal...

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Old 29th November 2018, 21:38   #53778  |  Link
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Hi guys,

first post first question

I set up madvr a while ago and it was working fine for me. not sure what I`ve done to my settings yet but madvr is not autmatically switching resolution on my 4k display. I have added all 2160p resolutions in the madvr and made sure the settings for auto switching are enabled in madvr. but for some reason it does not switch the screenmodes automatically... it just to work fine. not sure which setting I might have screwed up

thanks for help
Link a pic of your madVR auto display modes settings. Is auto switching turned off in your player since madVR is controlling them? This is exactly what should be entered in madVR:

2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p25, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60

When playback starts and when media is closed are the only two settings.
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For everyone that uses the GeForce driver 417.01:
NVidia released a hotfix driver 417.21 and one fix could be important for you: "Can't apply color format after updating to driver 417.01"
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Old 30th November 2018, 09:29   #53780  |  Link
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For everyone that uses the GeForce driver 417.01:
NVidia released a hotfix driver 417.21 and one fix could be important for you: "Can't apply color format after updating to driver 417.01"
Depends, I think most people use Full instead of Limited, all this hot fix did was allow Limited to work again.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...24386/#5924386

It is quite scary how much they break things in drivers nowadays, I gave up downloading them, there are no gains if you do not play games, and indeed more chance of new problems that should not happen.
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