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Old 23rd January 2019, 02:54   #54441  |  Link
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the usual chroma test image should do.

or you just press control+shift+altf12 until it shows Cr or Cb after that you can press control+shift+alt+t to toggle deinterlancing the image should get very soft and should move a around a bit.

for the fairest comparison make sure both use the same chroma scaler.
SO, if the CPU of the pc can't handle h265 decode, we should use dxva Copyback and dx11 ?
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Old 23rd January 2019, 03:42   #54442  |  Link
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yes is was repeated over and over again to not use DXVA native if you don't have too.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 04:23   #54443  |  Link
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Is the banding only with LG and Nvidia, or 12bit in general..

AMD using dxva2 native has massive banding for me, copy back fixes the banding. (RX 580)
I've never had the chance to test with an AMD GPU, but I'm assuming the issue is with the display and 12-bit input in general.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 04:35   #54444  |  Link
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Considering a used 1070 or 1080 right now.

Is the additional power much greater than a 1060, (FOR MADVR, I don't play games.)

I already own a 1060 for the kitchen pc.

1060 priced ~$160 used
1070 ~$250
1080 ~$400


What extra performance setting (MADVR) can be reached by the 1070/ 1080..
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Old 23rd January 2019, 04:49   #54445  |  Link
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Up to about 100W depending on how you push it. I use a 460W with no issues on an overlocked 1080 with Ryzen 1700/16GB.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 04:56   #54446  |  Link
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Up to about 100W depending on how you push it. I use a 460W with no issues on an overlocked 1080 with Ryzen 1700/16GB.
Hahaha.. No I mean't MADVR performance.. Cranking up settings ..

What can a 1070/1080 crank up that a 1060 could not.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 05:03   #54447  |  Link
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HDR and luma/chroma NGU, you get a quieter card for content that doesn't need a lot of work.
I use a Full HD screen so it's all NGU up and SSIM2D down for me. I barely bother with additional sharpening.
Basically just ratcheting up the settings a notch over what you already got.. My 1080 was a nice upgrade over my 1060 6GB.. and I only use it for madVR at this stage.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 06:19   #54448  |  Link
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I use a Full HD screen so it's all NGU up and SSIM2D down for me. I barely bother with additional sharpening.
I'm using gtx 1060 on FHD also. What chroma are you using? And what actually does activate SuperRes filter on chroma upscaling ? I select it on Jinc and it doesn't cost much on performance, maybe 2ms.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 09:11   #54449  |  Link
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I went with NGU AA medium/High depending on what profile activated.

Super Res is is an image enhancement algorithm which does the following.

Calculate an initial guess (using a different upscaler)
Downscale and calculate differences with original image.
Scale those differences to the final size
Improve guess by:
Softening the image
Subtracting differences with the original image
Sharpening (optional)
Removing aliasing (optional)
Removing ringing (optional)
Repeat steps 2-4 several times.

Judge for yourself if you like the results, I've never felt I've required it, especially for chroma.
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I'm pretty sure that most if not all users thought Super Res was detrimental when used with NGU. Correct me if I'm wrong please...

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I'm pretty sure that most if not all users thought Super Res was detrimental when used with NGU. Correct me if I'm wrong please...
Since we are here, can I ask you guys what settings (luma, chroma, enhancement, etc) you use to double 1080p / 720p content? Thanks
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I'm pretty sure that most if not all users thought Super Res was detrimental when used with NGU. Correct me if I'm wrong please...
Most users don't use it, can't say I ever would either. Not required IMO.
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I went with NGU AA medium/High depending on what profile activated.

Super Res is is an image enhancement algorithm which does the following.
Thank you for infos. With NGU it looks not good, but I'll compare between Jinc with and NGU without it.
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Please do your research into chroma before saying it's "not good" the standard and AA variants of NGU are known to be the best chroma upscalers along side Jinc and a few others. Your preference may be sharp scalers.. Personally I prefer natural results.
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Please do your research into chroma before saying it's "not good" the standard and AA variants of NGU are known to be the best chroma upscalers along side Jinc and a few others. Your preference may be sharp scalers.. Personally I prefer natural results.
What I mean is that using SuperRes with NGU does not look good. I just want to compare SuperRes with Jinc chroma and the NGU chroma (AA or Sharp).
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it is highly recommended to not use super res with NGU. it's just how these filter work they don't like each other.
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WHICH Nvidia Driver is the Recommended, that Madshi is developing on ??
There are dozens of drivers that "work." Avoid any that don't work for your needs.
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Considering a used 1070 or 1080 right now.

Is the additional power much greater than a 1060, (FOR MADVR, I don't play games.)

I already own a 1060 for the kitchen pc.

1060 priced ~$160 used
1070 ~$250
1080 ~$400


What extra performance setting (MADVR) can be reached by the 1070/ 1080..
I would only bother if you are using the HDR -> SDR tone mapping. A 1070 or better can help there.
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I would only bother if you are using the HDR -> SDR tone mapping. A 1070 or better can help there.
What if it's HDR tonemap to HDR output on a FakeDR TV ?

Does a 1070 help with that ?
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Do have all of the trade quality for performance options related to tone mapping unchecked and highlight recovery strength enabled? If yes, then the GTX 1060 can still do the job (I would guess barely). If not, a GTX 1070 or better would help.
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