Zoom player and BIG 1080P mkv

hirez80 · 15th December 2009, 21:35

Hi,
I apologize if this is not posted in the right group.
But its sort of an Software yet, codec question.

All these years i have been using Zoom player, smacked on ffdshow, and ejoyed bliss..
Then came some more advanced files with DTS, vbr etc. etc.

So nowdays, I fiddle between dscaler, for vid and audio, as well as Coreavc, and i notice, damn.. i am starting all over

And today I have the option of using EVR instead of "overlay mixer" the other options give me judder headache.

I dont notice any problems om my quad rig.
But on my htpcs, (i got an ion330 and a Fuj Siemens dualcore)
I suddenly started noticing jerks here and there...
Yes i am a bit picky, but when i use ffdshow in zoomplayer, only 25% of the cpu is being used (Coreavc, is up to 50%).

So i understand ppl have different setups, prefs etc.
But shouldnt there be a pretty "standard" setup for best use of resources?

So my question is, what settings do you guys use to play these 13 gb+ 1080P files?

I will gladly share any experience, and hope again i posted in the right place

Feel free to comment!

Inspector.Gadget · 15th December 2009, 21:52

File size is likely not as determinative of playback smoothness as the file's other characteristics. Post a MediaInfo "Text" view of the file into a codebox in tis thread and maybe someone will spot something known to interfere with playback (VBV buffer size, etc.)

hirez80 · 15th December 2009, 23:10

Ok the first one is for example this:

Code:

General
Complete name                    : X-Men.3.The.Last.Stand.2006.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-BLiND.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 7.95 GiB
Duration                         : 1h 44mn
Overall bit rate                 : 10.9 Mbps
Encoded date                     : UTC 2007-09-02 18:45:14
Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 8 frames
Muxing mode                      : Container profile=Unknown@5.1
Codec ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                         : 1h 43mn
Bit rate                         : 9 203 Kbps
Nominal bit rate                 : 9 418 Kbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 2.40:1
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.250
Stream size                      : 6.68 GiB (84%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 56 svn-667C
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh /
 subme=6 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=2 / deadzone=21,11 /
 chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 /
 bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=250 /


 keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) /
rc=2pass / bitrate=9418 / ratetol=1.0 /
 rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 /
 qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30
Language                         : English

Audio
ID                               : 2
Format                           : DTS
Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                   : ES
Codec ID                         : A_DTS
Duration                         : 1h 44mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 7 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Rear: L C R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Stream size                      : 1.10 GiB (14%)
Language                         : English

Text #1
ID                               : 3
Format                           : UTF-8
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                         : English

Text #2
ID                               : 4
Format                           : UTF-8
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                         : Swedish

Text #3
ID                               : 5
Format                           : UTF-8
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                         : Danish

Text #4
ID                               : 6
Format                           : UTF-8
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                         : Norwegian

Text #5
ID                               : 7
Format                           : UTF-8
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                    : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                         : Finnish

Second one is one that freezes quite often, yet seems to work better on Coreavc and faster computer.

Code:

General
Complete name                    : \\Volume_1\Public.Enemies.2009.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR19gb.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 17.5 GiB
Duration                         : 2h 20mn
Overall bit rate                 : 17.8 Mbps
Movie name                       : Public Enemies (2009)
Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-11-06 06:27:21
Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.9.7 ('Tenderness') built on Jul  1 2009 18:43:35
Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
Cover                            : Yes / Yes / Yes

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 5 frames
Muxing mode                      : Container profile=Unknown@4.1
Codec ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                         : 2h 19mn
Bit rate                         : 15.9 Mbps
Nominal bit rate                 : 16.3 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 2.40:1
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.432
Stream size                      : 15.5 GiB (89%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 77 r1294M 813fe72
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=esa / subme=10 /
 psy=1 / psy_rd=0.9:0.2 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / 
chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 /
 chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / 
mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=1 / 
b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / 
keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=0 / 
bitrate=16254 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / 
qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.80
Language                         : English

Audio #1
ID                               : 2
Format                           : DTS
Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID                         : A_DTS
Duration                         : 2h 20mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Stream size                      : 1.48 GiB (8%)
Language                         : English

Audio #2
ID                               : 3
Format                           : Vorbis
Format settings, Floor           : 1
Codec ID                         : A_VORBIS
Duration                         : 2h 20mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 80.0 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Resolution                       : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 80.1 MiB (0%)
Title                            : Commentary
Writing library                  : libVorbis 1.1.1/1.1.2 (UTC 2005-03-04)
Language                         : English

Text #1
ID                               : 4
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Language                         : English

Text #2
ID                               : 5
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Language                         : Finnish

Text #3
ID                               : 6
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Language                         : French

Text #4
ID                               : 7
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Language                         : Romanian

Text #5
ID                               : 8
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Language                         : Spanish

I perhaps thought that the larger the mkv files, the higher the bitrate hence the jerkiness, but since my cpu doesnt even reach more than 50% at MAX, it perhaps points to a decoder error on my part.

I appreciate your time

foxyshadis · 16th December 2009, 00:59

You've been posting here for a little while, you should know the strict rule about downloaded movies. Closed and struck for rule 6.

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hirez80 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 23	Zoom player and BIG 1080P mkv Hi, I apologize if this is not posted in the right group. But its sort of an Software yet, codec question. All these years i have been using Zoom player, smacked on ffdshow, and ejoyed bliss.. Then came some more advanced files with DTS, vbr etc. etc. So nowdays, I fiddle between dscaler, for vid and audio, as well as Coreavc, and i notice, damn.. i am starting all over And today I have the option of using EVR instead of "overlay mixer" the other options give me judder headache. I dont notice any problems om my quad rig. But on my htpcs, (i got an ion330 and a Fuj Siemens dualcore) I suddenly started noticing jerks here and there... Yes i am a bit picky, but when i use ffdshow in zoomplayer, only 25% of the cpu is being used (Coreavc, is up to 50%). So i understand ppl have different setups, prefs etc. But shouldnt there be a pretty "standard" setup for best use of resources? So my question is, what settings do you guys use to play these 13 gb+ 1080P files? I will gladly share any experience, and hope again i posted in the right place Feel free to comment!

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Inspector.Gadget Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,618	File size is likely not as determinative of playback smoothness as the file's other characteristics. Post a MediaInfo "Text" view of the file into a codebox in tis thread and maybe someone will spot something known to interfere with playback (VBV buffer size, etc.)

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foxyshadis ангел смерти Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lost Posts: 9,555	You've been posting here for a little while, you should know the strict rule about downloaded movies. Closed and struck for rule 6.