madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 2530

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Crimson Wolf

I tried NGU sharp (very high) and GPU load 90%, power 104%, no queue problems. Could it be my CPU? 2500k @ 4.2 Ghz.

This is basic processor load stuff, It's not your CPU. Even if your GPU is running at ~90% load it can still be not fast enough to keep up with required frame times, NGU can be quite demanding.
Keep your GPU utilization down to whatever load level doesn't create frame drops and if that's under 90% load then so be it. Max load percentage is not a target.

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 00:28

Anyone enabled Ultimate performance and seen any results making it worthwhile to add for HTPC?

Asmodian · 3rd May 2018, 00:30

I have Windows 10 Pro for Workstations (1803) and I do have that option. I am not sure how much it changes though, I think it is only for minor latency improvements. Like disabling C1E in BIOS and similar tweaks. I don't notice anything compared to High Performance for HTPC.

nevcairiel · 3rd May 2018, 00:34

It really makes no difference outside of pathological edge cases.

More importantly for everyone having issues on 1803, make sure that the Game Bar is turned off, otherwise it'll inject itself in any 3D rendering.

BDFan · 3rd May 2018, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Betroz

So no others here with the same issue with MadVr and Win10 1803 with low queues and dropped frames?

I have the same problem.
Win10 1803.

Crimson Wolf · 3rd May 2018, 02:12

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Originally Posted by ryrynz

This is basic processor load stuff, It's not your CPU. Even if your GPU is running at ~90% load it can still be not fast enough to keep up with required frame times, NGU can be quite demanding.
Keep your GPU utilization down to whatever load level doesn't create frame drops and if that's under 90% load then so be it. Max load percentage is not a target.

The problem is, it was fine before the 1803 update. I can actually put MORE load with 23.976fps videos than my 60fps videos, but can't trigger the queue problem.

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 02:13

Well, not that it seems to affect my own results, but did you turn off Game Bar/Mode for testing like Nev suggested?

leeperry · 3rd May 2018, 02:22

I might have missed it but a hotlkey for RCA would be really great please.

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 02:33

That's there, under 'deblocking - toggle'

Crimson Wolf · 3rd May 2018, 02:35

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Originally Posted by ryrynz

Well, not that it seems to affect my own results, but did you turn off Game Bar/Mode for testing like Nev suggested?

Yes. Only thing I didn't try is trying an older nvidia driver or older madvr. I can try in about 3hrs.

EDIT:

Previous drivers didn't help, previous madvr didn't help, BUT FSE fixes the queue problem for me for the 720p60 videos. Can anyone explain? Can people who are having low queues and dropped frames try FSE?

khanmein · 3rd May 2018, 07:49

How to try when FSE mode caused freezing?

BDFan · 3rd May 2018, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Crimson Wolf

Can people who are having low queues and dropped frames try FSE?

FSE Okey!

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 07:56

Is this a problem with NGU Sharp? or does it extend to other resizers too?

Betroz · 3rd May 2018, 08:10

I guess FSE means the fullscreen exclusive mode? Well I haven't used that for years, so that is not what is causing my queue problems. Regarding Game Bar, I disable most of what I consider bloat in Windows 10 after any reinstall or big update, like the new 1803. I like to tweak my systems, but I don't go overboard and disable lots of services like in the Black Viper guide I used in the past.

It's is not unreasonable to think that some of Microsofts tweaks to DirectX can cause problems for MadVr is it? I hope Madshi looks in to this when he comes back. Until that time I will use an older version of MadVr with NNEDI3 128 settings. I miss NGU Sharp already

Betroz · 3rd May 2018, 08:16

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Originally Posted by ryrynz

Is this a problem with NGU Sharp? or does it extend to other resizers too?

I haven't tried all of them, but NGU Anti-alias has the same issue. I believe the problem lies with NGU and how what works, but I have no clue. I will use NNEDI3 128 for the time being.

Grimsdyke · 3rd May 2018, 11:00

Fortunately no bigger problems for me with the Win10-1803-update !! The only thing that seem to be necessary for me now too is changing RGB settings.
Before the update I had RGB full everywhere but now the images are rendered way to dark. But setting RGB to '16-235' within MadVR the images are to bright.
So I am using 8 for blacks in MadVr RGB custom settings right now but have to test/compare more with other movies.

huhn · 3rd May 2018, 11:40

levels are not working correctly is not a real issue?

not that i'm going to blame the windows update for that or driver just say...

jkauff · 3rd May 2018, 12:03

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Originally Posted by huhn

levels are not working correctly is not a real issue?

not that i'm going to blame the windows update for that or driver just say...

I suspect this is a system problem. I'm using 1803, latest madVR, latest Nvidia drivers (GTX 1080), and am seeing none of these issues. Maybe the 1803 version is making heavier use of GPU resources than the previous version, leaving less for madVR.

x7007 · 3rd May 2018, 12:05

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Originally Posted by khanmein

@x7007 What's wrong with your LG? Everything looks good.

It looks good , but you need to notice the different when enabling windows HDR it's not using 10 bit YcbCr 4:2:2 anymore . it is using 8 bit + Dithering and that's the different with the spring now.

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Originally Posted by el Filou

@x7007 Could you please only capture (with Snipping Tool) the part of the screen with useful content instead of the whole screen showing mostly white background? It's much more comfortable when reading the thread. Thanks.

I will do it next time sure.

ryrynz · 3rd May 2018, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Grimsdyke

But setting RGB to '16-235' within MadVR the images are to bright.

What are you outputting to? Monitors and good modern TVs would ideally be 0-255 output from the GPU and configured as the display accepting such in madVR.

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	I have Windows 10 Pro for Workstations (1803) and I do have that option. I am not sure how much it changes though, I think it is only for minor latency improvements. Like disabling C1E in BIOS and similar tweaks. I don't notice anything compared to High Performance for HTPC. __________________ madVR options explained Last edited by Asmodian; 3rd May 2018 at 00:35.

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,348	It really makes no difference outside of pathological edge cases. More importantly for everyone having issues on 1803, make sure that the Game Bar is turned off, otherwise it'll inject itself in any 3D rendering. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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Betroz Is this for real? Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Norway Posts: 168	I guess FSE means the fullscreen exclusive mode? Well I haven't used that for years, so that is not what is causing my queue problems. Regarding Game Bar, I disable most of what I consider bloat in Windows 10 after any reinstall or big update, like the new 1803. I like to tweak my systems, but I don't go overboard and disable lots of services like in the Black Viper guide I used in the past. It's is not unreasonable to think that some of Microsofts tweaks to DirectX can cause problems for MadVr is it? I hope Madshi looks in to this when he comes back. Until that time I will use an older version of MadVr with NNEDI3 128 settings. I miss NGU Sharp already __________________ My HTPC : i9 10900K \| nVidia RTX 4070 Super \| TV : Samsung 75Q9FN QLED

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ryrynz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,650	Anyone enabled Ultimate performance and seen any results making it worthwhile to add for HTPC?

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ryrynz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,650	Well, not that it seems to affect my own results, but did you turn off Game Bar/Mode for testing like Nev suggested?

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leeperry Kid for Today Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,477	I might have missed it but a hotlkey for RCA would be really great please.

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ryrynz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,650	That's there, under 'deblocking - toggle'

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khanmein Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 118	How to try when FSE mode caused freezing?

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ryrynz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,650	Is this a problem with NGU Sharp? or does it extend to other resizers too?

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Grimsdyke Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 292	Fortunately no bigger problems for me with the Win10-1803-update !! The only thing that seem to be necessary for me now too is changing RGB settings. Before the update I had RGB full everywhere but now the images are rendered way to dark. But setting RGB to '16-235' within MadVR the images are to bright. So I am using 8 for blacks in MadVr RGB custom settings right now but have to test/compare more with other movies.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	levels are not working correctly is not a real issue? not that i'm going to blame the windows update for that or driver just say...