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Old 27th February 2018, 17:07   #49281  |  Link
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ah right, i use mine as web and other stuff so i have to have my desktop @ 60 hz which is why I use 420. I dont use 422 as when my TV is set to deep colour the only option I have is 420. This is because i'm using the blueray preset on my TV, the PC input setting does allow this but disables the motion abilities of the TV which are essential to me on my LG OLED EF9500 (uk 2015 model)
Imo, achieving 4:4:4 at 60Hz and 24Hz with deep color (HDR) ON is essential. Using 4:2:0 limits you to YCbCr Limited only.
I thought OLED was supposed to have great qualities superior to every other tech? Evidently not.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:08   #49282  |  Link
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yeah, there are lots of ways to do this, i've had it setup up a few different ways in the past but always had issue here and there, just got sick of faffing with it, my current setup is the most stable i've had it for a long time.
But you posted this 2 hours ago? Black screen? 0 in all queues in MADVR? That doesn't sound stable? https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...23175&page=368
Maybe your front end choice using DSPlayer isn't such a good one anymore at least with your AMD video card and drivers?
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:17   #49283  |  Link
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i found really good to put my desktop 4k@23 , setting 10bit output rgb 444, then i revert desktop settings to 50hz (I'm using madvr with mediaportal tv), so windows automaticalli brings rgb 444 8 bit only for 50/60 hz. Then i setup in mad vr two profiles: >24 fps use 8bit in device properties and <=24 fps use 10bit output in device properties. When madvr changes resolution windows put amd's 8 or 10 output accordingly with HDMi capabilities.
Nvidia drivers do this automatically without need for madVR to do it fwiw. I set my desktop at 60Hz instead of 50Hz.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:19   #49284  |  Link
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Your desktop at 30Hz 10/12bit is now introducing lag in everything from your mouse to your GUI's which is slow, awkward, non compliant with Windows desktop and definitely not up to par.
Thank you for the enlightenment of my erroneous ways so that I can henceforth follow the true path. My eyes aren't bleeding all that bad from a slight non-60Hz smooth animation when foobar or spotify changes song though.

This is a HTPC, not a computer used for daily desktop work. It's also used by my girlfriend. Hence, changing color space and bit-depth depending on what is played is not an option. 30Hz is a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:28   #49285  |  Link
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Nvidia drivers do this automatically without need for madVR to do it fwiw. I set my desktop at 60Hz instead of 50Hz.
i don't think nvidia can change properties inside madvr for your tv ..... you need two profiles in madvr if you want madvr output 8 or 10 bit
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:30   #49286  |  Link
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Most of the discussion in here is about madVR and the enhancements it makes to video quality. This would include your misuse of basic calibration settings and so much how you listen to music. The fact is, when not using any windows computing desktop features at all and solely using it as an HTPC to browse your collection of VIDEOS, your GUI will be awkward at best. That isn't a trade off. That's a Band-Aid for improper settings and/or choice of hardware.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:34   #49287  |  Link
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i don't think nvidia can change properties inside madvr for your tv ..... you need two profiles in madvr if you want madvr output 8 or 10 bit
No, what you think is simply wrong. The switching is automatic. In desktop mode = RGB 444 8bit 60Hz. In video mode auto switches to RGB 444 10bit 23/24 Hz and back again when finished with video playback. Just as it's listed in my sig.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:35   #49288  |  Link
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Most of the discussion in here is about madVR and the enhancements it makes to video quality. This would include your misuse of basic calibration settings and so much how you listen to music. The fact is, when not using any windows computing desktop features at all and solely using it as an HTPC to browse your collection of VIDEOS, your GUI will be awkward at best. That isn't a trade off. That's a Band-Aid for improper settings and/or choice of hardware.
No shit, if you go back a page or so you can see my initial questions for just madVR and AMD, since I came from nvidia. Misuse calibration settings..? Please elaborate. As to the rest, according to you maybe. But fine then, show me the hardware that can do RGB 4:4:4 2160p 10bit 60Hz.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:37   #49289  |  Link
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In my signature. I did elaborate. You want me to repeat myself?
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:44   #49290  |  Link
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No, what you think is simply wrong. The switching is automatic. In desktop mode = RGB 444 8bit 60Hz. In video mode auto switches to RGB 444 10bit 23/24 Hz and back again when finished with video playback. Just as it's listed in my sig.
I think you are not undestanding my crappy english or I miss part of the chain...or some configuration in madvr are useless..

so tell me what do think about this setting ?

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Old 27th February 2018, 17:46   #49291  |  Link
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Same I use and it's fine. Has little to do with the present discussion. What is your point?
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:47   #49292  |  Link
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He apparently is not aware that his configuration would be faulty if he ever played a 30i or 60p video. Not very perfect of a setup, huh? (SCNR)
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:47   #49293  |  Link
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But you posted this 2 hours ago? Black screen? 0 in all queues in MADVR? That doesn't sound stable? https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...23175&page=368
Maybe your front end choice using DSPlayer isn't such a good one anymore at least with your AMD video card and drivers?
Are you stalking me?



I only have one small set of 720p rips which represents about 0.001 % of my entire collection, therefore i'm 99.999 % stable.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:50   #49294  |  Link
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In the latest 0.92.12 whenever I try to take a screenshot when paused, the potplayer crashed. And taking a screenshot when playing will get me an abnormal image(strange colors like a thermal image of the original one).

I haven't changed any settings and it can just take screenshots without any problem in older 0.92.X versions.

I use WIN10 with RX480.

Maybe the problem in changelog of 0.92.11 "screenshots in paused state sometimes crashed madVR" is still not fixed? Just a guess.

Anyone have some ideas or the same problem? Thanks.
Hi, madshi. About the problem, I have tried various settings in the screenshots tab.

I find that if I draw subtitiles(uncheck "don't draw" by default), then it will crash whatever other settings are(even if there aren't any subtitles). Can this be helpful to you? Anyone have the same situation?

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And a question: Do I have to re-optimize the custom timing everytime when I update the graphic card driver? (RX480 in my situation)

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PS: A tiny UI visual suggestion. The "color & gamma" tab in "devices" settings: the beginning position of the first letter "c" is some space backward compared to the other tabs' title.

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Same I use and it's fine. Has little to do with the present discussion. What is your point?
i don't know what is your problem, mate. you need to calm down a bit.

I was just sharing my config to help @bran to undestand that is possible to have (like you) 4k 50/60hz at 8 bit rgb 444 and 4k 24/23 at 10bit rgb444. so also i shred what config i done in madvr to keep the chain at all 8bit or all 10 bit. Then uou told me that i'm wrong to set up diffent profiles for madvr output.Because the driver switch the modes.... yes but not for madvr.
I think you are wrong if you use output always at 10 bit when your the rest of the chain is at 8 bit.
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No I'm not stalking you? I'm very active in that forum too. You know that. Don't make things up to spark an argument. Here, you make a lot of effort to inform us how well your system works and it's always because you use AMD. Yet it's always with caveats. I saw your complaint with DSPlayer before coming here this morning fwiw. Then you dis NVidia amap citing things like how hard 3D is. In reality, double clicking madshi 'enable nvidia 3d.reg' could not be easier. On the other hand, not to boast, I have a very good working system with no caveats. I attribute that to decent hardware and software choices including madVR.
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I didn't say you were wrong. I said "fwiw" NVidia does the switching automatically. Yes, I pumped NVidia a little since all I was reading today was about the benefits of AMD. No ill feelings. It's all good.
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I didn't say you were wrong. I said "fwiw" NVidia does the switching automatically. Yes, I pumped NVidia a little since all I was reading today was about the benefits of AMD. No ill feelings. It's all good.
I'm not understanding, so are you telling me that nvidia can change madvr setup "automatically" ?
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On the other hand, not to boast, I have a very good working system with no caveats. I attribute that to decent hardware and software choices including madVR.
I'd like the perfect system without caveats..

Looked at you sig now - JS8500. So you most certainly also have banding @ 4k 12bit.

It's not just the Samsung JS-series, people say they get it on LG OLED as well. It has been brought up at several forums, also when using standalone UHD player that is outputting 12 instead of 10bit.

http://bit.ly/2FbKmhM

This is significantly reduced when sending a 10bit signal instead. Hence my switch to AMD and the questions I then had which started this whole discussion.


Here's one of many examples, this one from the JS8500 thread over at AVSForum;
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I too noticed The Revenant UHD disc causing color banding on my JS8500 when I first purchased my Oppo 203 using all auto which gave me 4:2:2 12-bit. To correct it I set the Oppo and from what I read from other JS8500 owners was to go with 4:4:4 10-bit, no more banding. For some reason 12-bit produces banding where 10-bit does not. Also the JS8500 is a 10-bit panel. It must not like that up conversion.
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No I'm not stalking you? I'm very active in that forum too. You know that. Don't make things up to spark an argument. Here, you make a lot of effort to inform us how well your system works and it's always because you use AMD. Yet it's always with caveats. I saw your complaint with DSPlayer before coming here this morning fwiw. Then you dis NVidia amap citing things like how hard 3D is. In reality, double clicking madshi 'enable nvidia 3d.reg' could not be easier. On the other hand, not to boast, I have a very good working system with no caveats. I attribute that to decent hardware and software choices including madVR.
enough now, you're just winding people up for no reason, all people are doing here is sharing their experiences, stop picking stuff apart like you're some sort of super-multi-forum-moderator.
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