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[setarip_old]

@PillPu$her

Hi!

I'm trying to rebuild Total Recall as well. The first playlist (2:10) is the commentary.

Just to let you know that you are mistaken. The 2hr10m playlist is for the extended version of the movie...

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

If I recall, though, you don't allow updates on your 360?

Your recollection is correct ;>}

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

unless maybe it has updated its BIOS and is subject to Cinavia

Absolutely not - and besides, if it DID have Cinavia-updated hardware, it would rear its ugly head (Onscreen message and befouled audiostream) on a BD25 as well as "BD"9...

[setarip_old]

@gonca

Hi!

The 360 doesn't seem to like full disk (BD) on DVD media

I wish it was that simple - but I have several hundred FULL DISC "BD"5s and "BD"9s that play perfectly on my SONY 360...

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by setarip_old

@gonca

Hi! I wish it was that simple - but I have several hundred FULL DISC "BD"5s and "BD"9s that play perfectly on my SONY 360...

What if the original has PiP and Dolby Digital Plus secondary audio? ( same is true with DTS Express secondary audio)
I have done numerous full backups as well and my S360 will behave just as you reported if DVD media is used, but works perfectly if BDR/RE media is used.
I have no problems with full disc backups to DVD media as long as the original Blu-ray does not have PiP.

[setarip_old]

@Capsbackup

What if the original has PiP and Dolby Digital Plus secondary audio?

I believe I noted the behavior you described for that specific structure (PiP and Dolby Digital Plus secondary audio) regarding backing up some "Disney Nature" Blu-rays - and had suggested privately to jdobbs that perhaps he could substitute DD+ for backups that contain DTSExpress.

I'll have to research those discs to be sure that "BD"9s and "BD"5s did, in fact, display the PIPs, but without any audio...

[gonca]

@setarip_old
My memory must be going, getting old I guess.
My Sony has been wrapped up for a while in favor of a htpc.
Sorry for the bad tip, maybe I was thinking of Capsbackup point.
Going to take my geritol now.

[SquallMX]

Is it normal for multi-angle/Seamless branching titles to be encoded using LAVF instead of DirectShow?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by SquallMX

Is it normal for multi-angle/Seamless branching titles to be encoded using LAVF instead of DirectShow?

Yes. Directshow can occasionally lose a frame or two at the end of an encode. While that is no big deal for most encodes because it is at the end -- it can be an issue with multi-part sources (possibly causing a slight "hiccup"). So when Directshow is selected and you are encoding a multi-part source -- BD-RB uses LAVF (just to be safe) when there is no other factor that would exclude it (like resizing, etc).

[SquallMX]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Yes. Directshow can occasionally lose a frame or two at the end of an encode. While that is no big deal for most encodes because it is at the end -- it can be an issue with multi-part sources (possibly causing a slight "hiccup"). So when Directshow is selected and you are encoding a multi-part source -- BD-RB uses LAVF (just to be safe) when there is no other factor that would exclude it (like resizing, etc).

Thanks for the explanation, I'm asking because just like all the content encoded using LAVF the framerate is detected as 25 fps, causing an small undersize (like 4%), and potential out-of-specs streams (in my experience the resulting discs play fine with my El cheapo standalone, PC and PS3).

[RobertM]

Has anyone else noticed any audio problems when rebuilding Total Recall 2012? My movie-only rebuild (BD-RB 42.07) went flawlessly, with no error messages, but the resulting audio was loud, distorted and SLIGHTLY slow. Sync was fine at the start, but got progressively worse until, by the end, it was about 1/2 second behind the video -- quite noticeable. Note that the original video stream rip comprised 70 pieces.

I solved the problem by demuxing the rebuild (to grab the rebuilt, single-part video), shortening the English audio track from the rip by 12 frames (approx 1/2 sec) and manually remuxing these back together. I sat down and watched the entire result on my standalone and the sync is now pretty good.

It's the first time I've noticed a problem like this. I'm using the current versions of helper software and Inspect.exe reports clean. I stepped back to to BD-RB 42.04 (with its older version of FFSDHOW) and got the same result. The log is way too long to post, but I can do so (removing most of the 70 parts) if anyone is interested.

As I've said, my rebuild is now good, so I don't really need any help, but I'm wondering if someone else might be seeing a similar thing.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by RobertM

Has anyone else noticed any audio problems when rebuilding Total Recall 2012? My movie-only rebuild (BD-RB 42.07) went flawlessly, with no error messages, but the resulting audio was loud, distorted and SLIGHTLY slow. Sync was fine at the start, but got progressively worse until, by the end, it was about 1/2 second behind the video -- quite noticeable. Note that the original video stream rip comprised 70 pieces.

I solved the problem by demuxing the rebuild (to grab the rebuilt, single-part video), shortening the English audio track from the rip by 12 frames (approx 1/2 sec) and manually remuxing these back together. I sat down and watched the entire result on my standalone and the sync is now pretty good.

It's the first time I've noticed a problem like this. I'm using the current versions of helper software and Inspect.exe reports clean. I stepped back to to BD-RB 42.04 (with its older version of FFSDHOW) and got the same result. The log is way too long to post, but I can do so (removing most of the 70 parts) if anyone is interested.

As I've said, my rebuild is now good, so I don't really need any help, but I'm wondering if someone else might be seeing a similar thing.

I'll pick it up and give it a test.

[RobertM]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I'll pick it up and give it a test.

It's on me, bud! Merry Christmas.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by SquallMX

Thanks for the explanation, I'm asking because just like all the content encoded using LAVF the framerate is detected as 25 fps, causing an small undersize (like 4%), and potential out-of-specs streams (in my experience the resulting discs play fine with my El cheapo standalone, PC and PS3).

I don't see how the undersize could be related to the fps. The frame count remains the same no matter what framerate you use and that's what determines the size. The reason you're not seeing out-of-spec and it plays fine is because the framerate is set correctly by TSMUXER during the mux. BD-RB uses the framerate from the CLPI and MPLS files for the mux and for when it calculates bitrate.

But I'll play with it a little, just to be positive.

[Edit] I just tested it. LAVF defaults to 25fps only when it can't detect the framerate from the source. My tests show that LAVF is correctly detecting the frame rate from the .264 source that is used for encoding. But I'll add some code to force the encoding rate for LAVF anyway.

[Capsbackup]

I had no problems with Total Recall 2012, audio looks perfectly in sync. Mine is a full backup to BDR, keeping the original Dolby True HD audio.
This is a multi-part Blu-ray, with an option to watch the movie with behind the scenes video. (It is not a true PiP 480P secondary video/audio type though, but an alternative playlist)

[RobertM]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

I had no problems with Total Recall 2012, audio looks perfectly in sync. Mine is a full backup to BDR, keeping the original Dolby True HD audio.

I'll try a full disc backup to a BD-RE-50 disc and see what happens.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by RobertM

I'll try a full disc backup to a BD-RE-50 disc and see what happens.

Mine was to BD-25, so there was reencoding of all multi-part m2ts files, but I just kept the HD audio.

[SquallMX]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I don't see how the undersize could be related to the fps. The frame count remains the same no matter what framerate you use and that's what determines the size. The reason you're not seeing out-of-spec and it plays fine is because the framerate is set correctly by TSMUXER during the mux. BD-RB uses the framerate from the CLPI and MPLS files for the mux and for when it calculates bitrate.

But I'll play with it a little, just to be positive.

[Edit] I just tested it. LAVF defaults to 25fps only when it can't detect the framerate from the source. My tests show that LAVF is correctly detecting the frame rate from the .264 source that is used for encoding. But I'll add some code to force the encoding rate for LAVF anyway.

Thanks for your help, my logs for the movie Chronicle (2012, FOX).

[12/23/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[13:44:38] Source:  CHRONICLE
  - Input BD size: 30.88 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:19:01.373]
  - Target BD size: 23.05 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - X264 Tweak(s) enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[13:44:40] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [13:44:40] Processing: VID_00616 (100 of 112)
 - [13:44:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00616]
 - [13:46:30] Reencoding video [VID_00616]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 20,748 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,150 Kbs
 - [13:46:30] Reencoding: VID_00616, Pass 1 of 2
 - [13:57:00] Reencoding: VID_00616, Pass 2 of 2
 - [14:32:22] Video Encode complete
 - [14:32:23] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [14:32:23] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [14:33:20] Processing: VID_00617 (101 of 112)
 - [14:33:20] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00617]
 - [14:33:30] Reencoding video [VID_00617]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,074 frames
   - Bitrate: 16,920 Kbs
 - [14:33:30] Reencoding: VID_00617, Pass 1 of 2
 - [14:34:01] Reencoding: VID_00617, Pass 2 of 2
 - [14:35:53] Video Encode complete
 - [14:35:53] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [14:35:53] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [14:35:59] Processing: VID_00618 (102 of 112)
 - [14:35:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00618]
 - [14:36:59] Reencoding video [VID_00618]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 13,343 frames
   - Bitrate: 12,447 Kbs
 - [14:36:59] Reencoding: VID_00618, Pass 1 of 2
 - [14:42:14] Reencoding: VID_00618, Pass 2 of 2
 - [14:54:59] Video Encode complete
 - [14:54:59] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [14:54:59] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [14:55:28] Processing: VID_00620 (103 of 112)
 - [14:55:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00620]
 - [14:55:51] Reencoding video [VID_00620]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 4,147 frames
   - Bitrate: 16,825 Kbs
 - [14:55:51] Reencoding: VID_00620, Pass 1 of 2
 - [14:58:05] Reencoding: VID_00620, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:04:18] Video Encode complete
 - [15:04:18] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:04:18] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:04:30] Processing: VID_00621 (104 of 112)
 - [15:04:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00621]
 - [15:04:45] Reencoding video [VID_00621]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 2,418 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,415 Kbs
 - [15:04:45] Reencoding: VID_00621, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:06:01] Reencoding: VID_00621, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:10:27] Video Encode complete
 - [15:10:27] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:10:28] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:10:36] Processing: VID_00622 (105 of 112)
 - [15:10:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00622]
 - [15:10:43] Reencoding video [VID_00622]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 784 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,321 Kbs
 - [15:10:43] Reencoding: VID_00622, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:11:11] Reencoding: VID_00622, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:12:30] Video Encode complete
 - [15:12:30] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:12:30] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:12:36] Processing: VID_00623 (106 of 112)
 - [15:12:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00623]
 - [15:12:45] Reencoding video [VID_00623]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,347 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,162 Kbs
 - [15:12:45] Reencoding: VID_00623, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:13:35] Reencoding: VID_00623, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:15:46] Video Encode complete
 - [15:15:46] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:15:47] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:15:53] Processing: VID_00624 (107 of 112)
 - [15:15:53] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00624]
 - [15:16:01] Reencoding video [VID_00624]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,096 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,303 Kbs
 - [15:16:01] Reencoding: VID_00624, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:16:40] Reencoding: VID_00624, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:18:32] Video Encode complete
 - [15:18:32] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:18:32] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:18:38] Processing: VID_00625 (108 of 112)
 - [15:18:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00625]
 - [15:18:45] Reencoding video [VID_00625]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 882 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,394 Kbs
 - [15:18:45] Reencoding: VID_00625, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:19:14] Reencoding: VID_00625, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:20:53] Video Encode complete
 - [15:20:53] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:20:53] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:20:59] Processing: VID_00626 (109 of 112)
 - [15:20:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00626]
 - [15:21:06] Reencoding video [VID_00626]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 753 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,175 Kbs
 - [15:21:06] Reencoding: VID_00626, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:21:29] Reencoding: VID_00626, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:22:32] Video Encode complete
 - [15:22:32] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:22:32] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:22:37] Processing: VID_00627 (110 of 112)
 - [15:22:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00627]
 - [15:22:45] Reencoding video [VID_00627]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 970 frames
   - Bitrate: 16,818 Kbs
 - [15:22:45] Reencoding: VID_00627, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:23:17] Reencoding: VID_00627, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:24:53] Video Encode complete
 - [15:24:53] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:24:54] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:24:59] Processing: VID_00628 (111 of 112)
 - [15:24:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00628]
 - [15:25:06] Reencoding video [VID_00628]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 760 frames
   - Bitrate: 17,248 Kbs
 - [15:25:06] Reencoding: VID_00628, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:25:29] Reencoding: VID_00628, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:26:52] Video Encode complete
 - [15:26:52] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:26:52] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:26:57] Processing: VID_00629 (112 of 112)
 - [15:26:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00629]
 - [15:28:01] Reencoding video [VID_00629]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 13,223 frames
   - Bitrate: 12,583 Kbs
 - [15:28:01] Reencoding: VID_00629, Pass 1 of 2
 - [15:33:24] Reencoding: VID_00629, Pass 2 of 2
 - [15:46:05] Video Encode complete
 - [15:46:05] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4356 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4357 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4358 (jpn): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4359 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [15:46:05] Multiplexing M2TS
[15:46:33]PHASE ONE complete
[15:46:33]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [15:46:33] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[15:46:49] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[15:46:49] JOB: CHRONICLE finished.
----------------------

[1Bullet]

Originally Posted by RobertM

Has anyone else noticed any audio problems when rebuilding Total Recall 2012? My movie-only rebuild (BD-RB 42.07) went flawlessly, with no error messages, but the resulting audio was loud, distorted and SLIGHTLY slow. Sync was fine at the start, but got progressively worse until, by the end, it was about 1/2 second behind the video -- quite noticeable.

@ RobertM
I had same issue, problem maybe with what you ripped with.
I used DVDfab 9.0.1.5 and ripped main movie out.(Directors cut). It played fine with Arcsoft total media, with out sync issues.
When I ran it thru BD rebuiler audio was out at end. I could visible see sync issue by chapter middle of chapter 14
I then ripped entire BD disc and let BD rebuilder do movie-only backup of the entire rip and audio is now in sync.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by 1Bullet

@ RobertM
I had same issue, problem maybe with what you ripped with.
I used DVDfab 9.0.1.5 and ripped main movie out.(Directors cut). It played fine with Arcsoft total media, with out sync issues.
When I ran it thru BD rebuiler audio was out at end. I could visible see sync issue by chapter middle of chapter 14
I then ripped entire BD disc and let BD rebuilder do movie-only backup of the entire rip and audio is now in sync.

@RobertM

Did you let BD Rebuilder do the movie-only, or did you use another package to do the breakout first (as 1Bullet mentioned)?

I picked up "Total Recall". I'll let you know what I find when I reencode it to movie-only.