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Old 17th December 2010, 20:04   #10541  |  Link
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3D isn't supported in BD-RB. It will be eventually -- but right now there really is no way to reencode to MVC. As for it appearing to be larger than the disc, that is how it should look on a 3D disc because some sectors are parts of more than one file and are therefore "double counted".

I should be able to do a non-3D backup of a 3D disc pretty easily -- maybe in one of the next couple of releases.
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Old 17th December 2010, 20:12   #10542  |  Link
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3D isn't supported in BD-RB. It will be eventually -- but right now there really is no way to reencode to MVC. As for it appearing to be larger than the disc, that is how it should look on a 3D disc because some sectors are parts of more than one file and are therefore "double counted".

I should be able to do a non-3D backup of a 3D disc pretty easily -- maybe in one of the next couple of releases.
Wow!!! That was fast!!! Thank you for your lightning-fast response.

The option to copy only the non-3D version would be great.

Thank you again.
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Old 17th December 2010, 21:28   #10543  |  Link
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Have some problem with the old movie Twister. R2 European Universal release. I'm getting pixelation in "fast" scenes. The example is at ~1:42.35.



To me it seems to be generated in the encode phase. The original plays back fine with no pixelation at all.

Can someone who has this movie please do a test run so I know if the problem is only at my end or if this is a troublesome title. It could of course be a bad rip but how can I know if the original shows no errors? It's ripped with latest AnyDVD HD to folder. Settings in BD-RB as follows:



Full backup, 2-pass Highest (Very slow) and without "Quick for extras"

Code:
[Options]
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=23450
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;swe;
SD_CONVERT=0
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
FULL_AVCHD=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=1
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=24400
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
KEEP_MBTREE=1
WEIGHTP=1
OPEN_GOP=1
USE_FILTERS=0
PROCESS_SECONDARY=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
VERSION=0.36.0.6
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=S:\BD-R\TWISTER_G51\
WORKING_PATH=R:\_TEMP\
Code:
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter:  Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC:  Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC:  Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC:  Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec":  Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "ffmpeg-mt":  Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.36.0.6, Ok
- X264:  Ok
- AFTEN:  Ok
- FAAC:  Ok
- MP4BOX:  Ok
- WAVI:  Ok
- TSMUXER:  Ok
and the rest..

Code:
-----------------------
[00:18:46] BD Rebuilder v0.36.06 (beta)
  - Source:  TWISTER_G51
  - Input BD size: 36,75 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:39:26.953]
  - Target BD size: 23,83 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[00:18:46] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [00:18:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00020]
 - [00:18:52] Reencoding: VID_00020 (1 of 10)
 - [00:18:52] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1*416 frames
   - Bitrate: 11*070 Kbs
 - [00:18:52] Reencoding: VID_00020, Pass 1 of 2
 - [00:19:38] Reencoding: VID_00020, Pass 2 of 2
 - [00:22:46] Video Encode complete
 - [00:22:46] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [00:22:46] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [00:22:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00023]
 - [00:23:09] Reencoding: VID_00023 (2 of 10)
 - [00:23:09] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 6*472 frames
   - Bitrate: 4*975 Kbs
 - [00:23:09] Reencoding: VID_00023, Pass 1 of 2
 - [00:23:42] Reencoding: VID_00023, Pass 2 of 2
 - [00:28:30] Video Encode complete
 - [00:28:30] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [00:28:30] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [00:28:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00024]
 - [00:29:50] Reencoding: VID_00024 (3 of 10)
 - [00:29:50] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 24*932 frames
   - Bitrate: 5*560 Kbs
 - [00:29:50] Reencoding: VID_00024, Pass 1 of 2
 - [00:32:12] Reencoding: VID_00024, Pass 2 of 2
 - [00:54:22] Video Encode complete
 - [00:54:22] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [00:54:22] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [00:54:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00025]
 - [00:55:34] Reencoding: VID_00025 (4 of 10)
 - [00:55:34] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 15*352 frames
   - Bitrate: 5*199 Kbs
 - [00:55:34] Reencoding: VID_00025, Pass 1 of 2
 - [00:56:52] Reencoding: VID_00025, Pass 2 of 2
 - [01:08:24] Video Encode complete
 - [01:08:25] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [01:08:25] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [01:08:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00027]
 - [01:22:45] Reencoding: VID_00027 (5 of 10)
 - [01:22:45] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 162*601 frames
   - Bitrate: 19*991 Kbs
 - [01:22:45] Reencoding: VID_00027, Pass 1 of 2
 - [02:51:30] Reencoding: VID_00027, Pass 2 of 2
 - [09:50:33] Video Encode complete
 - [09:50:35] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [09:50:35] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [10:13:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00044]
 - [10:13:44] Reencoding: VID_00044 (6 of 10)
 - [10:13:44] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 2*282 frames
   - Bitrate: 10*870 Kbs
 - [10:13:44] Reencoding: VID_00044, Pass 1 of 2
 - [10:14:55] Reencoding: VID_00044, Pass 2 of 2
 - [10:18:53] Video Encode complete
 - [10:18:53] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [10:18:53] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [10:18:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00045]
 - [10:19:08] Reencoding: VID_00045 (7 of 10)
 - [10:19:08] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 2*157 frames
   - Bitrate: 10*942 Kbs
 - [10:19:08] Reencoding: VID_00045, Pass 1 of 2
 - [10:20:16] Reencoding: VID_00045, Pass 2 of 2
 - [10:24:01] Video Encode complete
 - [10:24:02] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [10:24:02] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [10:24:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00050]
 - [10:26:37] Reencoding: VID_00050 (8 of 10)
 - [10:26:37] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 52*102 frames
   - Bitrate: 5*200 Kbs
 - [10:26:37] Reencoding: VID_00050, Pass 1 of 2
 - [10:31:07] Reencoding: VID_00050, Pass 2 of 2
 - [11:02:08] Video Encode complete
 - [11:02:08] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [11:02:08] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [11:02:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00051]
 - [11:03:21] Reencoding: VID_00051 (9 of 10)
 - [11:03:21] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 3*714 frames
   - Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
   - Bitrate: 5*206 Kbs
 - [11:03:21] Reencoding: VID_00051, Pass 1 of 2
 - [11:03:36] Reencoding: VID_00051, Pass 2 of 2
 - [11:05:11] Video Encode complete
 - [11:05:11] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [11:05:11] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [11:05:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00052]
 - [11:09:12] Reencoding: VID_00052 (10 of 10)
 - [11:09:12] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 81*472 frames
   - Bitrate: 5*757 Kbs
 - [11:09:13] Reencoding: VID_00052, Pass 1 of 2
 - [11:16:40] Reencoding: VID_00052, Pass 2 of 2
 - [12:21:03] Video Encode complete
 - [12:21:03] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [12:21:03] Multiplexing M2TS
[12:22:33]PHASE ONE complete
[12:22:33]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [12:22:33] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[12:23:05] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[12:23:05]JOB: TWISTER_G51 finished.
Code:
[Status]
LABEL=TWISTER_G51
VERSION=v0.36.06 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=39456802929
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=38899470336
TARGET_SIZE=25585254400
REDUCTION=.643400066654316
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;swe;
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=10
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00020]
AUDIO=
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=87900020
RATE=11070
NSTART=27000000
NEND=29655778
NSIZE=85653504
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00023]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=150516332
RATE=4975
NSTART=27000000
NEND=36716206
NSIZE=148033536
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00024]
AUDIO=1
PGS=01000000000001
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=673437647
RATE=5560
NSTART=27000000
NEND=64434240
NSIZE=660670464
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00025]
AUDIO=1
PGS=01000000000001
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=375848089
RATE=5199
NSTART=27000000
NEND=50050080
NSIZE=369881088
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00027]
AUDIO=0100000
PGS=01001000000001000000000000
M2TS_TARGET=19814010919
RATE=19991
NSTART=27000000
NEND=332181120
NSIZE=19277819904
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00044]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=141784045
RATE=10870
NSTART=27000000
NEND=31281152
NSIZE=138498048
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00045]
AUDIO=1
PGS=
M2TS_TARGET=134878066
RATE=10942
NSTART=27000000
NEND=31046542
NSIZE=131868672
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00050]
AUDIO=1
PGS=01000000000001
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=1276001060
RATE=5200
NSTART=27000000
NEND=105229650
NSIZE=1255624704
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00051]
AUDIO=1
PGS=01000000000001
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=91643558
RATE=5206
NSTART=27000000
NEND=32575680
NSIZE=90206208
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00052]
AUDIO=1
PGS=01000000000001
HYBRID=0
M2TS_TARGET=2281902071
RATE=5757
NSTART=27000000
NEND=149329440
NSIZE=2240200704
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
Thanks for any help
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Old 17th December 2010, 21:40   #10544  |  Link
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Ok, what a mess... my 5th Gen model (MA002ZP) doesn't seem to be listed in any of their specs -- but it appears to be the one I linked. There are just too many iPod models with too many different specs. Consistency has never been Apple's strongest attribute. They also have the slowest website on the planet.

Anyway -- I got it working. I've made it so 320x240/180 and 480x360/270 each has a max bitrate of 768 (to support earlier models), 640x480/360 has a max bitrate of 1500 (to match the intermediate models), and higher resolutions have a max bitrate of 2500 (to match newer models).
@jdobbs

Sounds great. I look forward to trying it again on the next version. Mahalo jdobbs!
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Old 17th December 2010, 23:03   #10545  |  Link
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When pass 1 has been done in High Quality (Default) mode, can I change pass 2 to be done in Highest Quality mode, or would the stats file from pass 1 be invalid?
From x264 I get the warning 'direct=auto not used on the first pass'. Is this critical?

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Old 17th December 2010, 23:53   #10546  |  Link
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If you use 2 pass mode, then afaik the 1st pass is only used to thoroughly analyse the m2ts stream. The actual encoding is then done in the 2nd pass using the quality selection you made.
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Old 18th December 2010, 00:39   #10547  |  Link
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@LowDead;
It would probably be a good test to try it with x264 Internal LAVF for decoding unselected.
I seem to remember reading that some types of VC-1 files can be affected by it. ( not sure if this applies here, but it would be good to know if unselecting LAVF corrects this! )
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Old 18th December 2010, 00:44   #10548  |  Link
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@LowDead;
It would probably be a good test to try it with x264 Internal LAVF for decoding unselected.
I seem to remember reading that some types of VC-1 files can be affected by it. ( not sure if this applies here, but it would be good to know if unselecting LAVF corrects this! )
Thanks for the tip! Will test overnight
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Old 18th December 2010, 09:32   #10549  |  Link
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If you use 2 pass mode, then afaik the 1st pass is only used to thoroughly analyse the m2ts stream. The actual encoding is then done in the 2nd pass using the quality selection you made.
Yes, but when I select "Automatic Quality Settings" DB-RB uses '--direct spatial' for pass 1 (i.e. the x264 default). When I change for pass 2 to "High Quality" DB-RB will set '--direct auto' AFAIK. x264 then discovers that '--direct...' has not been specified for pass 1 and defaults to '--direct temporal' and outputs a warning. DB-RB however permits to resume the job based on the stats from pass 1.
Should DB-RB in this case recommend to redo pass 1?
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Old 18th December 2010, 13:42   #10550  |  Link
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Yes, but when I select "Automatic Quality Settings" DB-RB uses '--direct spatial' for pass 1 (i.e. the x264 default). When I change for pass 2 to "High Quality" DB-RB will set '--direct auto' AFAIK. x264 then discovers that '--direct...' has not been specified for pass 1 and defaults to '--direct temporal' and outputs a warning. DB-RB however permits to resume the job based on the stats from pass 1.
Should DB-RB in this case recommend to redo pass 1?
BD-RB always uses the same set of settings for pass 1 and pass 2 -- unless you change the quality setting between the two.
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If you use 2 pass mode, then afaik the 1st pass is only used to thoroughly analyse the m2ts stream. The actual encoding is then done in the 2nd pass using the quality selection you made.
Yes, but it does the analysis using the settings you have specified. It is probably not a good idea to use different quality settings between the two passes.
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Old 18th December 2010, 17:08   #10551  |  Link
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but the second pass is CRF or ABR ?

what is the difference ?
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Old 18th December 2010, 17:26   #10552  |  Link
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but the second pass is CRF or ABR ?

what is the difference ?
CRF does an encode aiming at a specific quality level with a fairly unpredictable bitrate/size (depending upon the source). ABR does an encode aiming at a specific bitrate -- and the quality level is whatever can be reached in that bitrate/size.

Multiple pass is almost always ABR.
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abr is better?
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abr is better?
No. Neither is better than the other... they are just different. If you want to do one pass and don't care about the size -- you can just pick a quality level you'd like to keep and do a CRF encode. If you want to ensure your output is within a range (such as the size of a DVD) you choose ABR. Two pass ABR will usually give you the best quality you can get for a certain target size.

In BD-RB, there also is a routine that does sample passes using different CRF values to try and guess the output size -- but the accuracy is limited.
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if i use movie only , bd25, hight quality, 2 pass for best quality what should I choose?

if i don't choose nothing, bd-rb choose for me?
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if i use movie only , bd25, hight quality, 2 pass for best quality what should I choose?

if i don't choose nothing, bd-rb choose for me?
I recommend you choose "Automatic" and let BD-RB make all the decisions as to the best settings for encoding..
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1)but automatic is one pass or two pass ?

2)forever or depends on the type of film ?
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Old 18th December 2010, 22:20   #10558  |  Link
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I would love if you actually implement the "Blank this item" function. Any plans to do it soon?
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Old 18th December 2010, 22:33   #10559  |  Link
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1)but automatic is one pass or two pass ?

2)forever or depends on the type of film ?
As the name says... it is "automatic" -- which means it sets the values (quality, passes, everything) to what is needed. It is explained in the "Frequently Asked Questions" sticky of this sub-forum.

Please... no more questions. This is supposed to be a bug reporting thread.
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@LowDead;
It would probably be a good test to try it with x264 Internal LAVF for decoding unselected.
I seem to remember reading that some types of VC-1 files can be affected by it. ( not sure if this applies here, but it would be good to know if unselecting LAVF corrects this! )
@Capsbackup: Thank you very much, it worked perfectly.

@JDobbs: Is the LAVF only used for minor speed improvements or does it also improve quality in some cases?

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