madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 3016

mytbyte · 8th October 2020, 08:27

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Originally Posted by VBB

What kind of content are you playing? The 970 lacks dedicated HEVC decoding.

Exactly why I chose GTX960 at the time...

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ND2560 · 8th October 2020, 09:53

So maybe I missed it but is there any way/solution to properly use madvr&hdr&potplayer with the newest/recent nvidia drivers? Has anyone found a solution/tricks or do I have to stay put with my 446.14 driver. It's not that I have a problem with old drivers(for some games and firefox I prefer it) it's more the fact that when Cyberpunk eventually comes out I really like to have the newest drivers.

Klaus1189 · 8th October 2020, 10:20

Welcome to doom9, please read AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version
Just use newest driver it should be OK. Nvidia is diligent now on HTPC stuff.

ND2560 · 8th October 2020, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Welcome to doom9, please read AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version
Just use newest driver it should be OK. Nvidia is diligent now on HTPC stuff.

Thank you!!!!

Siso · 8th October 2020, 19:26

I have an odd problem using jinc for image upscaling, in overlay mode the composition rate goes crazy it should be rock stable 120 hz, but it changes to 60hz, 40hz, 24hz. This only happens with jinc as upscaler, with any other upscaler everything is ok. Also in new path with frames in advance it is creating huge amount of presentation glitches.

huhn · 8th October 2020, 19:49

overlay rendering shouldn't care about the composition rate so it shouldn't matter.

Siso · 8th October 2020, 19:58

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Originally Posted by huhn

overlay rendering shouldn't care about the composition rate so it shouldn't matter.

That's good, but why does it make so many presentation glitches in new path mode? The card is GTX 1050 Ti.

SirMaster · 8th October 2020, 20:22

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Originally Posted by VBB

You want to uncheck:

- enable windowed overlay
- enable automatic full screen exclusive
- disable desktop composition

Why disable windowed overlay?

VBB · 8th October 2020, 21:06

So that he can use D3D11 instead of D3D9, for performance reasons.

huhn · 8th October 2020, 21:56

d3d11 presentation isn't faster.
d3d11 native is always copied to d3d9 even with d3d11 presentation.

VBB · 8th October 2020, 22:10

You're right. I got that confused with not being able to use 10-bit with D3D9 presentation, if so desired.

scott1256ca · 9th October 2020, 04:50

I purchased a gtx 1650 super a couple of weeks back. I'm no expert in any of this, but I thought I'd post a bit about my success or lack of success in using it.
I also purchased a 4k hdr screen for use as a monitor.
In 4k @ 3840x2160 59.94 I can get 8 bit RGB full or ycbcr 444 limited. With no artifact removal I see < 50% GPU usage using 3G of memory.
If I reduce compression artifacts allowing NGU sharp even at low quality, I get dropped frames and about 70% GPU usage and pretty much all the 4G on the card
In 4k @3840x2160 23.976 I can get 12 bit RGB full or ycbcr 444 limited, but still 12 bit. With no artifact removal I see < 50% GPU usage using 3G of memory.
If I reduce compression artifacts allowing NGU sharp at low quality, I don't get dropped frames and about 70% GPU usage. At medium it won't even load the video

Everything says mapping hdr from bt.2020 to DCI-P3. I've tried changing the target gamut to BT.2020, but it still converts to DCI-P3. The tv can accept bt.2020. Is there a way to get it out?

VBB · 9th October 2020, 07:30

Since we were talking about D3D9 and overlay earlier, I thought I'd run some tests. Turns out that HDR playback with anything D3D9 is broken, at least with the current driver. Everything stays washed out, regardless of FS mode. Enable overlay and the washing out gets even worse. YMMV.

huhn · 9th October 2020, 08:13

overlay HDR only worked with 456.36 for me currently HDR doesn't work at all and i don't have an nvidia card connected to an HDR display anymore the ridiculously buggy rx 5700 XT is to blame in this case...

edit: scott1256ca check the power setting in the nvidia control panel.

the calibration settings should match the display setting if you are using send BT2020 you should leave the video at BT2020 even through the screen still has to lower this to DCI P3 or lower that'S unrelated.

jkauff · 9th October 2020, 10:31

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Originally Posted by scott1256ca

Everything says mapping hdr from bt.2020 to DCI-P3. I've tried changing the target gamut to BT.2020, but it still converts to DCI-P3. The tv can accept bt.2020. Is there a way to get it out?

Here's an excerpt from a Sound and Vision article:

"Another confusing issue with HDR is the BT.2020 color space that it's associated with. No current consumer video displays can provide full coverage of BT.2020, a color space that was designed to allow headroom for future technology developments. Movies are largely mastered in the P3 format, which is wider than the REC. 709 one used for HDTV, but not as wide as BT.2020. However, P3 is not a consumer format, and it's incompatible with the color matrix used for consumer video."

Your display may accept BT.2020, but it's going to convert it to DCI-P3.

el Filou · 9th October 2020, 12:17

The arrow in "BT.2020 -> DCI-P3" in madVR's OSD doesn't mean it's downconverting to DCI-P3, it means mastered to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container.
I think it's misguiding IMHO.

scott1256ca · 9th October 2020, 15:59

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The arrow in "BT.2020 -> DCI-P3" in madVR's OSD doesn't mean it's downconverting to DCI-P3, it means mastered to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container.
I think it's misguiding IMHO.

ah ok, good to know.
According to rtings, my tv can only show about 60% of bt.2020 anyway, but does 90+% coverage of DCI-P3, so it wouldn't make much difference anyway. It wasn't something I was desperate to see, just interested.
Thx

*MidnightWatcher* · 9th October 2020, 16:54

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Originally Posted by el Filou

The arrow in "BT.2020 -> DCI-P3" in madVR's OSD doesn't mean it's downconverting to DCI-P3, it means mastered to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container.
I think it's misguiding IMHO.

But I believe that if your display is calibrated to BT2020 we need to ensure that madVR is set to BT2020, not to DCI-P3. When I had it set to DCI-P3 some of the colors were off slightly, but much better when set as BT2020.

mytbyte · 9th October 2020, 21:32

Hmmm. You should not use BT.2020 if it's not being signaled to the display via "report BT.2020 to display". It is very inconclusive why BT.2020 may look better to you unless a measurement is performed. If you have a known Rec709 display side by side to the 4K HDR TV, and use "Rec709 in BT.2020" test patterns on the 4K HDR display, you can compare by eye and see what settings produce the closest match.

leeperry · 10th October 2020, 10:34

I guess W10 is still a crapshot with mVR please?

Asking because I'd love to get UAC2 support but then again I want mVR to work equally well as it does in W7

This said, sometimes I get black & white picture in FS when it was in color in windowed mode, also PotPlayer keeps making mVR unhappy with an error message on top left corner so how bad can it get with my HD7850?

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VBB Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 620	Since we were talking about D3D9 and overlay earlier, I thought I'd run some tests. Turns out that HDR playback with anything D3D9 is broken, at least with the current driver. Everything stays washed out, regardless of FS mode. Enable overlay and the washing out gets even worse. YMMV. __________________ Henry \| LG OLED65C7P \| Denon AVR-X3500H \| ELAC Uni-Fi x7 \| ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3030 x2 \| NVIDIA SHIELD TV Pro 2019 \| Plex

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	overlay HDR only worked with 456.36 for me currently HDR doesn't work at all and i don't have an nvidia card connected to an HDR display anymore the ridiculously buggy rx 5700 XT is to blame in this case... edit: scott1256ca check the power setting in the nvidia control panel. the calibration settings should match the display setting if you are using send BT2020 you should leave the video at BT2020 even through the screen still has to lower this to DCI P3 or lower that'S unrelated. Last edited by huhn; 9th October 2020 at 08:18.

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el Filou Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 896	The arrow in "BT.2020 -> DCI-P3" in madVR's OSD doesn't mean it's downconverting to DCI-P3, it means mastered to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container. I think it's misguiding IMHO. __________________ HTPC: Windows 10 22H2, MediaPortal 1, LAV Filters/ReClock/madVR. DVB-C TV, Panasonic GT60, Denon 2310, Core 2 Duo E7400 oc'd, GeForce 1050 Ti 536.40

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ND2560 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 8	So maybe I missed it but is there any way/solution to properly use madvr&hdr&potplayer with the newest/recent nvidia drivers? Has anyone found a solution/tricks or do I have to stay put with my 446.14 driver. It's not that I have a problem with old drivers(for some games and firefox I prefer it) it's more the fact that when Cyberpunk eventually comes out I really like to have the newest drivers.

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Klaus1189 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,667	Welcome to doom9, please read AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version Just use newest driver it should be OK. Nvidia is diligent now on HTPC stuff.

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Siso Soul Seeker Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 715	I have an odd problem using jinc for image upscaling, in overlay mode the composition rate goes crazy it should be rock stable 120 hz, but it changes to 60hz, 40hz, 24hz. This only happens with jinc as upscaler, with any other upscaler everything is ok. Also in new path with frames in advance it is creating huge amount of presentation glitches.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	overlay rendering shouldn't care about the composition rate so it shouldn't matter.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	d3d11 presentation isn't faster. d3d11 native is always copied to d3d9 even with d3d11 presentation.

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scott1256ca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 39	I purchased a gtx 1650 super a couple of weeks back. I'm no expert in any of this, but I thought I'd post a bit about my success or lack of success in using it. I also purchased a 4k hdr screen for use as a monitor. In 4k @ 3840x2160 59.94 I can get 8 bit RGB full or ycbcr 444 limited. With no artifact removal I see < 50% GPU usage using 3G of memory. If I reduce compression artifacts allowing NGU sharp even at low quality, I get dropped frames and about 70% GPU usage and pretty much all the 4G on the card In 4k @3840x2160 23.976 I can get 12 bit RGB full or ycbcr 444 limited, but still 12 bit. With no artifact removal I see < 50% GPU usage using 3G of memory. If I reduce compression artifacts allowing NGU sharp at low quality, I don't get dropped frames and about 70% GPU usage. At medium it won't even load the video Everything says mapping hdr from bt.2020 to DCI-P3. I've tried changing the target gamut to BT.2020, but it still converts to DCI-P3. The tv can accept bt.2020. Is there a way to get it out?

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mytbyte Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 212	Hmmm. You should not use BT.2020 if it's not being signaled to the display via "report BT.2020 to display". It is very inconclusive why BT.2020 may look better to you unless a measurement is performed. If you have a known Rec709 display side by side to the 4K HDR TV, and use "Rec709 in BT.2020" test patterns on the 4K HDR display, you can compare by eye and see what settings produce the closest match. Last edited by mytbyte; 9th October 2020 at 21:40.

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leeperry Kid for Today Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,477	I guess W10 is still a crapshot with mVR please? Asking because I'd love to get UAC2 support but then again I want mVR to work equally well as it does in W7 This said, sometimes I get black & white picture in FS when it was in color in windowed mode, also PotPlayer keeps making mVR unhappy with an error message on top left corner so how bad can it get with my HD7850? Last edited by leeperry; 10th October 2020 at 10:58.