madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[huhn]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

Sure, but I just bought a 4K TV, won’t care for 8K content for a long while (if ever). If I don’t miss anything up to 4K HDR content, I’m not missing anything. Having said this, I have checked, a RTX 3070 supports VP11 which includes "maximum resolution of up to 8192 x 8192 pixels (8k resolution) for all HEVC and VP9 profiles", up to and including Main 4:4:4 12. I think I'm covered on that front.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia...n_PureVideo_HD

not how this works.
it will break at one point if it is a new video codec a new windows version or just no new software for 32 bit (very reasonable if you ask me) it will happen.

and it doesn't really matter what nvidia supports on the driver it will not allow everything with 32 bit program if you would use copyback for 8k it would just die.

[el Filou]

In other words, it still works now for all the needs of people who use it, and for the near future (I don't care at all about 8K either, and my media center front end even is still 32-bit only).
With a little hope, when something finally breaks ReClock there will be some way in GPU drivers to create custom refresh rates with very precise clocks with the help of HDMI VRR and we won't need to find an alternative.

[HillieSan]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

I installed Reclock not to have to worry about precise refresh rates. I hate dropped/repeated frames. I always notice them when watching video content. And I wasn’t managing to keep 10 bit when creating custom resolutions.

I think you don’t need reclock. I don’t use reclock for my rtx 3060 Ti with the latest verion of masvr, lav filters and nvidia drivers.

[ashlar42]

Originally Posted by huhn

not how this works.
it will break at one point if it is a new video codec a new windows version or just no new software for 32 bit (very reasonable if you ask me) it will happen.

and it doesn't really matter what nvidia supports on the driver it will not allow everything with 32 bit program if you would use copyback for 8k it would just die.

I'm sorry, 'cause this is mainly offtopic but... "not how this works" what?

Today my setup can decode 8K. The driver, today, can. And it works with 32 bit software. Unless I change my setup, nothing is gonna change that.

New video codec? We've kept H264 for the whole BluRay generation. We'll keep HEVC for the whole 4K generation. 8K on physical media is so far from becoming reality that I don't know if it'll ever happen. By then, maybe, things might get more problematic. But that will be true for madVR x64 as well, since unless you resort to ripped content from the scene, there will be no way to playback stuff streamed in 8K through madVR. And if you go the ripped content way... pretty sure HEVC will still happen for a very long time.

Reclock is a temporary solution until I can get some answers as to why I can't make 10 bit working on custom resolutions. But that doesn't detract from the fact that Reclock works perfectly to this day and, for reasons I've explained, for quite a long time in the future. Say it doesn't work in Windows 11... there's another four years, minimum, of guaranteed updates for 10. After that, for a dedicated HTPC machine, it's not too hard to lockdown the OS from a security point of view, if you limit yourself to media viewing.

[huhn]

you know that pretty much every couple years youtube adds a better codec which is now AV1 which your cards also supports BTW.

and if your device can do 8k decoding try copyback may actually work. because if the driver can do something it doesn't mean it will work with a 32 bit program that's simply not how it works. an 8k image is 96 mb if it is 4:2:0 for 4:4:4 we talk about 192 mb the default queue size of madVR is 16 so madVR and other programs better don't use any RAM at all or subtitles.

of cause you can just disconnect your device from the inet and leave it as it is.

doubly vision update in a driver could be more than enough to kill 32 bit.

BTW. you can right now stream 8K from youtube in madVR not relevant.

[nevcairiel]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

I have checked, a RTX 3070 supports VP11 which includes "maximum resolution of up to 8192 x 8192 pixels (8k resolution) for all HEVC and VP9 profiles", up to and including Main 4:4:4 12. I think I'm covered on that front.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia...n_PureVideo_HD

Did you actually try it instead of reading hardware capabilities? Unless drivers do some fundamental changes, 32-bit does not allow 8K hardware decoding, due to limits in memory space, and my system right now certainly still exhibits that behavior on eg. a YouTube 8K clip (VP9 and AV1), or a 8K broadcast recording (HEVC). Both only work in hardware in a 64-bit player.

[ashlar42]

That's fine. As mentioned I don't care about 8K now and for the next few years. I did not try 8K because I don't have an 8K screen and I don't think I will own one for the next 5-7 years. Also, to each his own, but considering content on YouTube, it's not as if I would tear my hair out to be able to watch that through madVR. More power to those that care, obviously. Dolby Vision would be worth it, I agree.

Also, considering how well I see Reclock performing, it's a shame it's not been updated for 64 bit.

[x7007]

anyone else having issues with seeking movies now after the latest update? build 1083 I've repeating green artifacts and repeating images. using potplayer with lavfilers and madvr with 6900xt 21.6.1. the windows 10 movie player works fine
seems Lav Video Filters is causing the issue. it only happens with 8bit movies not HDR ones....

[clsid]

If any of you Reclock users have any programming experience, then consider the possibility of implementing its functionality in MPC-HC. Audio resampling ability is already present in the internal audio renderer. So the only main thing that is missing is adjusting the playback rate to compensate for the small difference in refreshrate vs video framerate.

[huhn]

that's easy if i would just do a normal c++ project to do some math but just looking at sanear and i'm simply not qualified.

in the end it is just calculating the drift let say +0.1 % (reclock even shows you the numbers).

to slow the audio down by 0.1 % i take 47952 samples and resample them to 48000.

speed up 48048 to 48000.

want to be more accurate super sample. else do some float point stuff.

extremely simple getting the timing information and understanding the data type or even possible different data types it a different story.

[chros]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

Reclock is a temporary solution until I can get some answers as to why I can't make 10 bit working on custom resolutions.

It works here, madvr states D3D11 Fullscreen windowd (10 bit):
- only d3d11 should be check in madvr
- set 10 and higher under device in madvr
- we only get 10bit in fullscreen
- here when I set custom res via CRU, there's a 2nd id information tab under devices, the first right one every necessary info but that is disabled, the 2nd only says 8bit and that's the active
- sometimes it stops working (when windows does something with the vga), a reboot helps

[mclingo]

off topic - I know its unlikely MADVR will get Dolby vision support but are there any players or renderers that work yet that anyone knows of?

[ashlar42]

Originally Posted by chros

It works here, madvr states D3D11 Fullscreen windowd (10 bit):
- only d3d11 should be check in madvr
- set 10 and higher under device in madvr
- we only get 10bit in fullscreen
- here when I set custom res via CRU, there's a 2nd id information tab under devices, the first right one every necessary info but that is disabled, the 2nd only says 8bit and that's the active
- sometimes it stops working (when windows does something with the vga), a reboot helps

I have managed to solve it yesterday. Restarted from scratch and used timings closer to the standard. Now I have on frame repeated/dropped (can't remember) at 5 days for 23.976, 6 days for 25.000 and 4 hours for 24.000. I did not touch 24 and 25, those are the default timings and I did not feel the need to.

While the default resolutions show as RGB 10b 4L10, the custom one is shown as RGB 10b TM. But everything is good, 10 bit and all (2160p24/23.976 does not need HDMI 2.1).

Unfortunately I alternate between the AVR 5.1 and Corsair Orbit Cloud S headphones (same as Audeze Mobius, best virtual surround I've heard so far and I've tried many). Which has internal DAC/clock/everything (basically they work as an external soundcard). Timings should be different and there's no easy way to alternate (I know CRU can export an EXE but it's really too cumbersome to go that way).

As such I'll remain with Reclock (as Kodi's sync to display is crashing for me and madVR debanding during fadeouts and fadeins is quite better).

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by mclingo

off topic - I know its unlikely MADVR will get Dolby vision support but are there any players or renderers that work yet that anyone knows of?

No

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[mclingo]

you'd think MADSHI would have implemented DV by now if he's gunning for the high end market, a few quid for a DV license per unit isnt really going to add much to an already unaffordable unit for 99.99% of us

[ashlar42]

Originally Posted by mclingo

you'd think MADSHI would have implemented DV by now if he's gunning for the high end market, a few quid for a DV license per unit isnt really going to add much to an already unaffordable unit for 99.99% of us

I expect sooner or later Envy will go that route. But maybe they've tried to get the license and there are obstacles, I don't know... to date, there is no way to get Dolby Vision through a Nvidia GPU in a PC environment. But Shield does it. I suppose it depends on how locked down the environment is.

[ryrynz]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

Unfortunately I alternate between the AVR 5.1 and Corsair Orbit Cloud S headphones (same as Audeze Mobius, best virtual surround I've heard so far and I've tried many.

Tried the Iris Flow?

[CZ Eddie]

Hi folk, could I get help with two things?

1) My MadVR version is 92.17. I need to reinstall Windows. Should I stick with 92.17 or go to one of these new trial versions I just read about? I watch OTA TV standard definition (old TV shows) 1080P TV and 4K movies on a 4K projector RTX 2060 Super. Is there a settings guide to follow like I used for 92.17?

2) I recently started watching a lot of old school TV shows on broadcast TV via my HdHomeRun + Antenna. Are there any suggested MadVR tweaks for cleaning up the crappy image quality? MeTV and Antenna TV are the two channels I mostly watch. Shows like Gunsmoke, Emergency, MASH, Barney Miller, etc.

[ashlar42]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Tried the Iris Flow?

I've had a look. Too mumbo jumbo for my tastes. I understand companies need marketing. But in this case all I see is marketing. After 15 minutes trying to understand how they would work with a PC for 5.1 output virtualization I've had enough and got bored.

If you wanna talk about it, let's use PMs, this is off topic here.

[janos666]

Originally Posted by ashlar42

I expect sooner or later Envy will go that route. But maybe they've tried to get the license and there are obstacles, I don't know... to date, there is no way to get Dolby Vision through a Nvidia GPU in a PC environment. But Shield does it. I suppose it depends on how locked down the environment is.

Not true. Some games can do it with certain drivers (like Mass Effect Andromeda, although the driver support is often broken).