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20th July 2018, 08:45 | #51761 | Link | |
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20th July 2018, 11:09 | #51762 | Link | |
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I've asked this myself before and was told it was fairly normal, MADVR is just starting up essentially, it may have to switch pixel/res and engage, take a few seconds. Yeah it can be a bit annoying if you are resuming a video but I've just got used to it and it no longer bothers me. I'm also using D3D11 , FSE and windowed mode in KODI DS, it also does it in MPC-BE though so its nothing to do with that. MADSHI could look at this i'm sure but with all the other issues that need sorting I can understand why its a low priority. ! remember though, nobody is paying MADSHI for this MADVR loveliness beyond donations so lets try and keep everything civil, however i've also been guilty of being frustrated and a bit offhand in the past and have had to be reminded of this myself. Have you logged it as a bug? http://bugs.madshi.net/view_all_bug_page.php |
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20th July 2018, 14:35 | #51763 | Link | |
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can you make a screen of the OSD? @mclingo windowed and FSE are multali exclusive to each other... ligh said only thevideo IN player get black not the whole screen which has nothing todo with madVR. the black screen from FSE is a GPU driver/screen thing as is changing refreshrate it will take as long as the screen will take to do it. |
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20th July 2018, 15:06 | #51765 | Link |
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it would be nice if you could make it clear if the screen is changing mode or not.
refreshrate changing will always create a blackscreen and switching between fullscreen windowed and FSE too. you said you tried it with MPC-BE. so how does that this look? only the video window of mpc be or the whole screen? |
20th July 2018, 16:21 | #51766 | Link |
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I too get the black screen while audio is playing for a few seconds. FSE vs windowed makes no difference. (Sometimes video playback is started and I can see it and then it flashes again. I don't what is occurring during the 'next' black screen flash) I turned off 'launch files in fullscreen' in MPC-HC so I could determine if the entire panel was going black or just the player. It's not just the player. The entire panel goes black. It's happening during automatic refresh rate change. Once the change is made, the video displays but not until then. This seems perfectly normal to me. What needs to happen is for the player to delay playback until the rate change is completed. I suppose different displays take different timing for the rate change but I'd guess about 4 seconds would cover most if not all. Switching into modes like 3D or HDR may add even more time on top of the rate change. We should also take into account the order in which software is deployed. If the player was last in line, it would give madVR a head start to fulfill its refresh rate command before playback started. (this is why controlling refresh rate switch from madVR is more efficient than letting the player control it) Maybe an additional command in madVR to 'delay video playback'. But madVR might be dependent on the player before it can execute anything? Ultimately, a setting in the player to 'delay video playback' for x amount of m/secs might be the best cure? Undoubtedly, that is not going to be adopted. Any ideas how to stall the player until refresh rate and mode changes have occurred?
I've already tried switch to matching display mode when it goes fullscreen or when video starts. That makes no difference fwiw. Also, you may have noticed it takes a few seconds AFTER playback to return to original resolution and rate. Lastly, delay switch to exclusive mode helps a bit but I remember in the past it was problematic with something specific in my usage and I'm too old to remember exactly what it was. Trying it again until I realize what that was. Delay start until queue is full doesn't seem to help either. As a matter of fact, it's completely broken for me. Player starts paused and pressing play does nothing. Could be it's not harmonious with some other setting I have someplace though? No idea. I'm using 385.28 GPU driver, W10 1803, and latest madVR, LAV Filters, and MPC-HC fwiw. ISO vs MKV makes no difference either. Of interest, FAB Player and PDVD start audio and video simultaneous after rate change.
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Imho changing the refresh rate is nothing that should by done by the renderer, but its difficult for player and renderer to offer this option for all use cases. A few seconds black sreens seems to be a good compromise for me ... |
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20th July 2018, 17:02 | #51770 | Link |
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I really don't mind the black screen either. I've become used to it yet I cringe every time it happens and noticed it really bothers others. As for the 'delay' setting in MPC, it's greyed out when you don't use the player to do the rate switching and are using madVR to control it instead. Also, I think 'delay' is going to delay the rate change itself which sort of exasperates the problem unless I'm mistaken which I often am.
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Except it introduces lag with everything assuming you set them to 23/24Hz and destroys any Windows desktop usage. Also, what happens if you set to 24Hz and your video refresh rate is 25, 30, 60Hz which often is? Strangely enough, I just set GPU to 24Hz and started 24fps video. Still flashes to black for a few secs and starts MPC player paused. Pressing play starts audio but video is frozen on frame. There is more than meets the eye (pardon the pun) going on.
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Hi Guys.. I have a question that I hope you can help me understand better... I'm moving from 16:9 to a 2.39:1 screen and was wondering what madVR masking does and how it's used? Would appreciate if this could please be explained.. Many thanks
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and you can easily test this. mpc-hc default settigns with madVr as renderer. reset madVR to defaults. play a file in window mode. @mkohman you have to be a lot more price about hat. Quote:
and if i'm not mistaken madshi wants to add soemthign like that too. who knows whats on this todo list. you need to disable the madVr dispaly changer for that and it may not work with HDR not sure. |
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This is the first example image I found, the blue line on the wall could be eliminated by setting up madVR's masking. I don't think it is useful for an ideal screen of any aspect ratio.
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It could be the top or bottom too. Zoom Control, with its black bar detection, is for black bars. Masking is for this issue.
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Well that was definitely fun! I clean installed the latest nVidia driver and set up madvr for 4K HDR. WOW! What an absolutely amazing experience that is on the LG C8 OLED! madvr just impresses me more and more. Of course because I've run into some subtitle issues with the later builds of madvr I'm still using a slightly older build so I can't wait for the next build to get all the latest fixes and options. But I'm VERY glad I jumped to 4K. Thank you, madshi, awesome work as always!
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It simply crops/zooms the black bars away before the rest of the rending path. When cropping it even improves performance and you can have madVR output to an anamorphic lens at full resolution.
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