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Old 9th May 2022, 01:43   #31261  |  Link
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I believe that your question should be directed at MrVideo
I was just trying to figure out how he got the weird structure.
He mentioned MKV and DV so I tried the 2 most common ways of creating a MKV
Me, I decrypt to a folder structure and then compress and remux to a folder structure.
Real simple
Personally, I think that if someone creates one of these invalid structures they should fix it before inputting it to BD_RB

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Old 9th May 2022, 19:30   #31262  |  Link
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I believe that your question should be directed at MrVideo
I was just trying to figure out how he got the weird structure.
He mentioned MKV and DV so I tried the 2 most common ways of creating a MKV
Me, I decrypt to a folder structure and then compress and remux to a folder structure.
Real simple
Personally, I think that if someone creates one of these invalid structures they should fix it before inputting it to BD_RB
Agreed. Sorry, I wasn't aiming the response at you, only responding to the context. It sounds to me like MrVideo's issue is being created by MAKEMKV. That doesn't mean it is doing anything wrong... since the MKV seems to be compliant. It just makes it difficult to then reintegrate into a BD structure.

I wonder if the MKV created by MKVMERGE actually plays back as DV (with two streams, one of which only holds the DV extensions)?
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Old 9th May 2022, 20:35   #31263  |  Link
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If you use MakeMKV and then create the BD structure with tsMuxeR you will get DV info only

EDIT
see my post above
However, if you use MakeMKV in 'Backup' mode and then drop the largest .m2ts file into MKVmerge, you get both video streams (including MEL/FEL Dolby Vision) that TSmuxer is able to mux perfectly
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Old 9th May 2022, 22:57   #31264  |  Link
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However, if you use MakeMKV in 'Backup' mode and then drop the largest .m2ts file into MKVmerge, you get both video streams (including MEL/FEL Dolby Vision) that TSmuxer is able to mux perfectly
Agreed, but I would use the proper mpls
But this was trying to figure out how that MKV was obtained
Realistically
Decrypt to full folder with Makemkv
Input folder into BD_RB
Simpler approach to what is being attempted
(AND NOT by me)
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Old 10th May 2022, 21:53   #31265  |  Link
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I'm still going to make the update so it pulls the data from the DV entry when the VID entry is empty. You never know when you might run into a UHD MKV that someone else created with MAKEMKV.
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Old 11th May 2022, 16:58   #31266  |  Link
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New Release of BD-RB (v0.61.28)

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version of BD Rebuilder (v0.61.28). Changes for this release:
Code:
- Added code to ensure that forced subtitles
  found in imported video files are also
  flagged as forced in ALTERNATE file output.
- Fixed error where ALTERNATE_KEEP_SRT was
  not working for MP4 output.
- Added lookahead to NVENCC command line for
  slightly improved quality at a given rate.
- Fixed an error in which audio that must be
  encoded could be wrongly kept intact under 
  certain circumstances.
- Added code to support using SubtitleEdit
  to convert PGS to SRT subtitles, it now
  converts about 6x faster than BD-RB's 
  original (internal) routine.
- Fixed an issue that could (very rarely)
  cause BD-RB to misinterpret imported
  video run length.
- BD-RB's installation folder now includes
  Subtitle Edit v3.6.3 which is distributed
  under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, v3.
  Note that it is a very useful utility that
  can also be run independently of BD-RB as
  a Windows application.
- Fixed an error in which importing may
  (rarely) cause error exit when using 
  NVENCC.
- Fixed a source of possible error that 
  shows as EXIT CODE: -1073741819.
- Added code to adjust for sources that are
  improperly formatted and don't include
  information for primary video on a DV
  source.  When it doesn't exist, BD-RB will
  look for a DV entry and pull format data 
  from it.
- Updated version of x264 to v0.164.3075
- Updated version of x265 to v3.5.0.13
- Updated NVENCC to a newer version (v5.41)
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
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Old 11th May 2022, 22:17   #31267  |  Link
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Thanks for the update.
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Many thanks for your continued work, jdobbs !

Besides of that I need a little hint:
I wanted to run a quick NVENC Comparison h.264 vs h.265 in BD-RB, but no matter what I tick I can not get h264 from NVEnc.
I keep getting .h265 muxed.
I must have spoilt just one tick, but which ?
If I read the logs I get told which decoder has been fired up at which source, but nothing about encoder and compression,
only "Reencoding: <element> Pass n of m" just how it always was.

Sometimes I wish the dual/triple system of "Setup" "Config" + "Hiddenopts" could be united into one GUI window, one fine day maybe ?

Maybe I should control that through NVENCC Reencoder v0.10.7 ?
I try to conclude something, maybe it is still not that easy to find:
NVENCCRE.INI
VIDEO_CODEC=0 specifies AVC, 1 specifies HEVC
AVC_Q_VALUES specify the 3 quality presets, I chose 28,23,18
tbc...
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Many thanks for your continued work, jdobbs !

Besides of that I need a little hint:
I wanted to run a quick NVENC Comparison h.264 vs h.265 in BD-RB, but no matter what I tick I can not get h264 from NVEnc.
I keep getting .h265 muxed.
I must have spoilt just one tick, but which ?
If I read the logs I get told which decoder has been fired up at which source, but nothing about encoder and compression,
only "Reencoding: <element> Pass n of m" just how it always was.

Sometimes I wish the dual/triple system of "Setup" "Config" + "Hiddenopts" could be united into one GUI window, one fine day maybe ?

Maybe I should control that through NVENCC Reencoder v0.10.7 ?
I try to conclude something, maybe it is still not that easy to find:
NVENCCRE.INI
VIDEO_CODEC=0 specifies AVC, 1 specifies HEVC
AVC_Q_VALUES specify the 3 quality presets, I chose 28,23,18
tbc...
Is it a UHD source? That might force it to H265. Another setting might be if you select "Convert BD to UHD-BD (HEVC) Format" from the output menu (assuming UHD_CONVERT_ENABLE=1 is set in your INI).

In NVENCCRE you just select which encoder you want to use from the menu.
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UHD-BD 10bit HEVC source with DoVi layer, yes.
UHD_CONVERT_ENABLE=0 did not help, I was getting H.265 with this as well.

NVENCCRE did create H.264, and true, it was already implemented in the Output menu,
I had just looked at the .ini first, guessed at the entries and overlooked the nice menu cascading arrows.
I kept UHD resolution, let transcode to H.264 in MKV with all audio kept, giving enough bits CRF 18, came out at 48Mbps.
A quick glance showed very good quality on a 8-bit 100% gamut display, no pixel-peeping yet.

P.S. I think I see now, what I was asking would involve a conversion going 10-bit HDR -> 8-bit SDR
and ATM a non-standard disc would result.
For my limited scope of artifact peeping I didn' have to take care for the resulting shifted luma/chroma response.
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Old 17th May 2022, 07:46   #31271  |  Link
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@jdobbs I have a little puzzle. I have BDRB on two machines. I find that if I take any file with EC3 multichannel audio and import it then
- one one machine it will generate a multi-channel AC3 track
- on the other it will only generate 2 channels (or sometimes one). Never all 5.1.

I just put the newest BDRB version on both. No change. So I guess it must be something external to the folder containing the extracted BDRB zip. The only major hardware difference is a suitable NVidia card in the one that "works". That shouldn't (?) make any difference, right? So I have to guess it's something software external to BDRB that is at play. Any pointers as to where I might look?


EDIT P.S.Actually I just attempted to start a new job with 06128 and found that, whilst it did generate multichannel audio, it refused to select NVENCC on the NVidia equipped machine (unable to confirm compatibility). So I have reverted to 06122 which does work. It's a GeForce GTX1650ti. FYI.

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Old 18th May 2022, 14:49   #31272  |  Link
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@jdobbs I have a little puzzle. I have BDRB on two machines. I find that if I take any file with EC3 multichannel audio and import it then
- one one machine it will generate a multi-channel AC3 track
- on the other it will only generate 2 channels (or sometimes one). Never all 5.1.

I just put the newest BDRB version on both. No change. So I guess it must be something external to the folder containing the extracted BDRB zip. The only major hardware difference is a suitable NVidia card in the one that "works". That shouldn't (?) make any difference, right? So I have to guess it's something software external to BDRB that is at play. Any pointers as to where I might look?


EDIT P.S.Actually I just attempted to start a new job with 06128 and found that, whilst it did generate multichannel audio, it refused to select NVENCC on the NVidia equipped machine (unable to confirm compatibility). So I have reverted to 06122 which does work. It's a GeForce GTX1650ti. FYI.
Are all the prerequisites (from the very first post) the same version on both machines?

Not sure about the NVENCC ... could be because of the newest version added in the 0.61.28

The 1650ti does not support HEVC B-Frames, might have something to do with that?
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The 1650ti does not support HEVC B-Frames, might have something to do with that?
Ya, I have the GTX-1660.
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Are all the prerequisites (from the very first post) the same version on both machines?

Not sure about the NVENCC ... could be because of the newest version added in the 0.61.28

The 1650ti does not support HEVC B-Frames, might have something to do with that?
I'll have to re-check the pre-reqs. As to HEVC - I'm not using that in either case. H264 for output, and the source is the same file in the two cases.
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I'll have to re-check the pre-reqs. As to HEVC - I'm not using that in either case. H264 for output, and the source is the same file in the two cases.
maybe you should post the .ini file for both computers?

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@jdobbs I have a little puzzle. I have BDRB on two machines. I find that if I take any file with EC3 multichannel audio and import it then
- one one machine it will generate a multi-channel AC3 track
- on the other it will only generate 2 channels (or sometimes one). Never all 5.1.
Fixed by installing LAV Filters. Thanks for the pointer.

I'll get back to experimenting with 06128 and its seeming unwillingness to allow NVENCC at a future time. Sticking with 06122 for the time being.
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Fixed by installing LAV Filters. Thanks for the pointer.

I'll get back to experimenting with 06128 and its seeming unwillingness to allow NVENCC at a future time. Sticking with 06122 for the time being.
Although not recommended ... have you tried fiddling around with different versions of NVEncC ?
It might not help at all, since only JDobbs knows how the detection feature works...
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I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version of BD Rebuilder (v0.61.28). Changes for this release:
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[Snip]
- BD-RB's installation folder now includes
  Subtitle Edit v3.6.3 which is distributed
  under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, v3.
  Note that it is a very useful utility that
  can also be run independently of BD-RB as
  a Windows application.
[Snip!]
Wow, this is great! Much better than the other way. Great idea. This program is pretty powerful.
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Fixed by installing LAV Filters. Thanks for the pointer.

I'll get back to experimenting with 06128 and its seeming unwillingness to allow NVENCC at a future time. Sticking with 06122 for the time being.
I'm guessing it's a driver thing. Try adding:

NVENC_CAPABLE=1

to the OPTIONS area o your INI file.

That way it will assume you have a compatible card installed (just as if the check came back positive).
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I'll try that and report back when I get chance. Thx.
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