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I currently have a 1366x768 screen on this laptop, last time I saw the number the average is around 1280x1024 or even 1024x768. Do we -really- need 1080p content on the web when most users don't have a screen larger than a 1280x720 video ? |
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As for bandwidth caps, I'm hoping the proxy cachability of Smooth Streaming will reduce the pain of streaming for ISPs. Since it's just a bunch of files via http, they can get away with web QoS. And lots of people watching the same thing is only the bandwidth of a single person watching it from the ISP perspective. and speaking of Smooth Streaming, we've got a new demo page up which is a little more technical than SmoothHD.com: http://www.iis.net/media/experiencesmoothstreaming |
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Nice interface and it's fast and really light on the CPU not like Flash Players if you work multimedia wise with a lot of tabs and flash processes you really begin to hate Flash and love Silverlight
Flash Video Playback can be disturbed by so many things it's unbelievable how unreliable it currently is in heavy usage scenarios Silverlight always wins (no stuttering if more instances are running) it seems todo it's prioritizing much cleaner . All that that moved to flash streaming will sooner or later realize they should have better waited I really see Silverlight as one of Microsofts best developed technologies currently and im amazed how clean it was designed and done Silverlight + SVC will be the future , you can also see in this presentation that the reaction time of the chunked encoding here is to slow visually it needs to be faster i guess the clip here has it's Keyframes far away of each other it takes around 29 seconds to adapt ? Adaptibility needs to be going on the Decoder side completely not via the Encoder doing this workaround isn't really efficient @ all but it will make some happy
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And I just noticed that this player is actually doing a 2-pixel scale, so it's not getting our Fast Path; so it should be even faster in a few days . Quote:
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just curious about silverlight licensing costs, lets say a website with 1m views per day of a certain video, would it be cheaper for them to go with silverlight or flash? I presume you are undercutting adobe in terms of pricing, would be a bit crazy if you charged more, especially as alot of people wouldnt be able to view the videos as they'd have to download silverlight.
do you have an approximate eta for silverlight3 e.g Q2 2009? Will silverlight 2.0/3.0 be installed on windows 7 by default? Hope it is, would help you push websites to using silverlight compared to flash as less people would need to download it. Will you be getting OEM manufacturers to install silverlight by default eg Dell, HP etc as i'm fairly sure some OEM's may have flash installed by default. If it is installed by default on windows7 i presume there is an option to uninstall it, dont want you guys to get in trouble with the EU again. Last edited by hajj_3; 8th April 2009 at 13:46. |
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Also, due to proxy caching and pre-encryption, you likely would need many fewer IIS servers than Flash servers for the same audience size. Quote:
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1. When i slide the constrained bandwith meter up and down it takes around 10sec until one see a difference. Now i can understand that on the way down, since the decode prolly has a big buffer to eat of, but on the way up, why does it take it in 1 by 1 steps? and not from minimum to maximum (i slid the bar from 400kbit to 2,4mbit). Why doesnt the client try the best bandwith ? Could u please elaborate a little bit more on how this "detection" work? I can see on trickplay skipping that the client sometimes trottles up bw 1 step by 1, and the next time i skip it can go from minimum to max.. best regards TEB Last edited by TEB; 11th April 2009 at 12:23. |
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Ben btw what is your team doing in terms of multimedia thread prioritization inside the web browser most still do a bad job here i mean just open some tabs with Flash advertising and the Silverlight Showcase or a Flash Video and it will happen fast that one of these applications is gonna suffer i guess you could tell the customer to just have 1 tab with the application open and try to avoid any other stuff but that's not very practical i hope browsers multimedia performance gets enhanced in the future currently it seems to play only a secondary role (a more stable multimedia experience inside the browser). There should be some stuff being done like giving a tab higher priority when it is in focus and a Video is playing inside of it so basically suspending the other instances in the other tabs for that time hope such similar stuff is soon finding it's way into browser. I already did some Browser tests in those regards and it's interesting to see the results between the most known ones and how different they all handle this but all lack in this some way or another i gonna take IE8 into my Benchmark of this next . In my heaviest test i open around 200 tabs and a Flash Player instance with the others having all kind of Flash Content loaded it's interesting to see how that makes Video Playback virtual impossible without continues brake ups im wondering how Silverlight 3 will do in this Scenario ?
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When we were working on the Olympics, we saw a huge CPU spike in some players which we jumped in to debug. It turns out that it was a Flash banner add on the page that was eating up 4x the CPU power as the Silverlight media player. Quote:
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Also, I think that version tries to buffer ahead up to 20 seconds of video, so even if you crank the bitrate way down, it might not respond immediately; it'll start requesting future chunks at the lower bitrate, but if it's already cached a higher quality version of a given chunk, it'll use that one. The good news is that the heristics are all in managed code and delivered on-demand when media playback is about to start, so it can be tuned as often as desired, and be made as specific to a particular content site and its customers as desired. So expect rapid evolution and improvement of the client. It's not like Windows Media Player where we only had one chance to lock in stream-switching logic every couple of years. |
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Lets hope steve ballmer decides to include silverlight in win7 with the option to uninstall it or even include it and during installation of windows7 you can choose to install it or not. |
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Silverlight is indeed a promising technology in the AVC scene. |
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And at NAB, we're also showing H.264 running at 720p24 on a Core 2 Duo inside Silverlight, with a pretty full featured (CABAC, pyramid B, lots of reference frames) 2.5 Mbps x264 encode. We've also got VC-1 working at 1080p24.
Some other news from the show: http://on10.net/blogs/benwagg/NAB-Da...d-more/#Page=1 |
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For the Tennis fanboys, you can see Rolland Garros through your web browser within SL - Smooth Streaming @720p :
Looks great to me ...and you can record & replay live streamings too. |
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any news on Silverlight3 going GOLD yet? Have you not made a decision on when you will start making a 64bit version yet? You got a nice tasty 64bit IE8 begging for it and if you released it im sure firefox and chrome 64bit betas would be released, maybe even safari. Even apple are going all 64bit in Mac OSX 10.6 Snow Leapord, you could create a 64bit version that works with mac osx 10.6's safari 64bit too. There's obviously been 64bit ubuntu for quite some time and with netbooks being released alot 64bit silverlight would mean they could use minefield for alot more sites and use alot less of their very slow cpu's.
Im sure you could create a 64bit compatible version that wasnt optimised for 64bit so that people can use silverlight sites on 64bit browsers then later down the line you could optimise the code to take advantage of 64bit properly. Show apple who's boss instead of being reactive. OSX 10.6 will likely take off big time especially with the $29 price tag. anyway hope to hear some good news in response to my questions. Last edited by hajj_3; 11th June 2009 at 04:03. |
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