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[NikosD]

Originally Posted by Cineaste

Where is your evidence? I see, there is none.

Moving on.

You must be very new to hardware business if you really didn't know that Intel has paid billions to recover from its malpractices:

https://www.extremetech.com/computin...es-against-amd

Of course Intel has earned a lot more billions from its malpractices than the fines that paid to AMD

The EU found, in part:

That Intel paid rebates to manufacturers on the condition that they would buy all (Dell) or nearly all of their CPUs from Intel.

That it paid retail stores rebates to only stock x86 parts.

That it paid computer manufacturers to halt or delay the launch of AMD hardware, including Dell, Acer, Lenovo, and NEC.

That it restricted sales of AMD CPUs based on business segment and market.

OEMs were given permission to sell higher percentages of AMD desktop chips, but were required to buy up to 95% of business processors from Intel.

At least one manufacturer was forbidden to sell AMD notebook chips at all.

Intel then further restricted manufacturer sales by only allowing the 5% of business systems to be sold to small and medium enterprises, only via direct distribution, and only if the business distributor pushed back the launch a further six months.

[huhn]

the fact AMD never bothered to upgrade iGPU to NAVI is a problem and shows a clear lack of dedication and just selling them the old stuff is not seen in a great light even intel updates there "terrible" iGPU more often.

it literally took 1 year to get a NAVI dGPU in a laptop...
the 5700 is already EOL.

[Cineaste]

Originally Posted by NikosD

You must be very new to hardware business if you really didn't know that Intel has paid billions to recover from its malpractices

Mate, that article is 6 years old. I want to see recent evidence that supports your claim. Don't cling on to the past if you want to make a point about the present. It invalidates your entire argument.

[NikosD]

Originally Posted by Cineaste

Mate, that article is 6 years old. I want to see recent evidence that supports your claim. Don't cling on to the past if you want to make a point about the present. It invalidates your entire argument.

Said someone who is posting graphics card sales data from 2010 to make a point of CPU sales of 2020...

[Cineaste]

Originally Posted by NikosD

Said someone who is posting graphics card sales data from 2010 to make a point of CPU sales of 2020...

I literally said Q1 2020 and specifically mentioned GPU sales (not CPU) - please read again and educate yourself.

It just so happens that the graph contains sales data all the way from 2010 to 2020, which is why I brought it up. I would not have bothered if recent data was not included, unlike you with your 6-year old article.

You seem overly defensive.

[NikosD]

You brought GPU sales in the discussion when I was talking about CPU sales.

And you insist on this thing.

And you insist on Intel not bribing and not using malpractices.

You seem overly manipulative.

[Cineaste]

Originally Posted by NikosD

You brought GPU sales in the discussion when I was talking about CPU sales.

Christ, perhaps read your own posts before making assumptions:

Originally Posted by NikosD

Before the end of this year, AMD is going to get a huge sales boost regarding GPUs as well, probably as the best seller products like CPUs.

That's what you said, no? Clearly you compared the sales potential of GPUs to CPUs.

I then invalidated your argument by referring to historic sales data between 2010 and 2020, which paints a clear picture.

As for Intel, I don't insist on anything. I merely asked you to provide evidence to support your claim, and you are seemingly unable to produce anything other than an article from 6 years ago.

Anyway, I'll leave it here since you seem to just contradict yourself.

[chros]

Originally Posted by nevcairiel

A rumored cancelation of a rumored model? Maybe it never existed in the first place? :P

Originally Posted by huhn

7nm rumour...
...
so how do you produce more smasung "nvidia" 8nm GPUs you can not really do that it takes years to build a new fab the current one has to do.

You have a valid point here, but nvidia already has an Ampere TSMC 7nm card: A100 !

Originally Posted by huhn

7nm rumour...
TSMC 7 nm is currently used for the consoles those things that are sold out before the release. there are different 7nm nodes so that a thing but still demand is heavy for now.
does this mean there will be no 7 nm ampare GPU?

Originally Posted by huhn

low end on TSMC to not confuse the customer.
you can release the lower end cards later and just keep pushing GA102/104 for now.

Then why cancelling 16/20GB of cards??? (If this rumor is true at all.)
That would be the weirdest step they can (could?) make: it just doesn't make any sense.
The only explanation I can think of is:

Originally Posted by nevcairiel

Or its simply being replaced by another SKU, perhaps Super models on TSMC 7nm are coming earlier then expected.

Or maybe bringing Hopper sooner, e.g. a year later from now?

I think they screwed up this release very badly with memory configuration! They could have sold every other shite attribute (high power consumption, bad performance scaling, etc) but not these memory configs...
That's how they wanted to segment the market, because with DLSS any mid range GPUs can do 4k otherwise So, how to limit 3070/3060 sales to only 1440p or 1080p gamers? Give them 8/6GB of memory (at a very high price)!
But giving only 6/8GB 4 years later???!!! wtf?! Consoles have 16, AMD will have 16/12GB!
This way it's not competition but would be a massacre

nvidia well deserves this, with its bullshit marketing (er... propaganda ) and shite, overpriced products.
Lastly, Jim's newer video about the "Titan class" 3090 , very educational ... (huhn, you don't have to listen to him if you don't like him )

[Cineaste]

It is worth noting that consoles' 16GB are not comparable to GPU VRAM since they run on APUs (i.e. shared memory pool across GPU and CPU). So you're not getting a dedicated 16GB VRAM.

[chros]

Yes, that's true, but how much does the OS need? 1 / 2 GB?

[Cineaste]

Originally Posted by chros

Yes, that's true, but how much does the OS need? 1 / 2 GB?

A lot more from the looks of it

Digital Foundry has been handed an internal PS4 document by a “well-placed development source,” which states the system reserves 3.5GB of its 8GB GDDR5 memory for the operating system, which would leave around 4.5GB of space for game code.

Over 43% reserved for the OS! And that's just the PS4. God knows how much is locked away for the new consoles' many features.

[NikosD]

@Cineaste
It is very well known that AMD sells both CPUs and GPUs.

So in order to reply to your answer if in Greece there is only AMD to sell its products I replied in two parts in the same comment.

The first part of my comment was for mindfactory.de CPU sales which have broken every record possible for the last many months (few years)

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73040...-13/index.html

So, Germans buy a ton of AMD CPUs

I said the same for amazon.com best cpu sellers

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-...zgbs/pc/229189

So, Americans buy a ton of AMD CPUs

Are we OK up to here ?

Then, in order to fullfil your desire for a complete answer of all AMD products I added the second part of my comment regarding a GPU sales boost towards the end of the year, obviously due to the marvelous RDNA2 architecture and a lot better (hopefully) availability of RX 6000 series cards compared to 308/3090 non existent availability.

Two different kind of AMD products two different parts of the same comment.

Are we OK now ?

As you can understand it's the last time I reply to such tricky and out of the context comments by you.

[huhn]

Originally Posted by chros

Then why cancelling 16/20GB of cards??? (If this rumor is true at all.)
That would be the weirdest step they can (could?) make: it just doesn't make any sense.

so it makes sense to you to sell a new product with double the RAM while a lot of customer are still waiting for the 10 GB version with the same chip on it? it's insane to even think about releasing a 20 GB version until they delivered there orders that would be such an insult to there customer...

not here to start rumours just listing possible solution to the current situation.

I think they screwed up this release very badly with memory configuration! They could have sold every other shite attribute (high power consumption, bad performance scaling, etc) but not these memory configs...
That's how they wanted to segment the market, because with DLSS any mid range GPUs can do 4k otherwise So, how to limit 3070/3060 sales to only 1440p or 1080p gamers? Give them 8/6GB of memory (at a very high price)!
But giving only 6/8GB 4 years later???!!! wtf?! Consoles have 16, AMD will have 16/12GB!
This way it's not competition but would be a massacre

DDR6x has low availability. and please sit back a sec and think things to an end.
the consoles have >shared< 16GB momey not 16 GB Vram so
you have 8 GB ram in your system and a 8 GB Vram GPU you are already in a similar space as the new consoles but hey that JIM guy just ignores these facts... because it counds so cool if a consoel has more Vram then your new high end GPU...
BTW 16 GB ram is considered base line as PC gaming and there is only one game that needs a lot of Vram and that's doom eternal and good luck seeing a difference between that setting and one lower.

nvidia well deserves this, with its bullshit marketing (er... propaganda ) and shite, overpriced products.
Lastly, Jim's newer video about the "Titan class" 3090 , very educational ... (huhn, you don't have to listen to him if you don't like him )

learn...
yeah just let him compare stuff he likes more so he get'S the biggest difference on his graphs without taking any easy accessible data into account like the series is part of one card... and then let him call the entire series "bad" such a joke...
just keep going and compare over price flagship cards very fair comparison don't take into consideration what AMD was doing at the time there is no need for that people could learn something from that but the number would be so "amazing" and it would be good content not but "you believe what nvidia said" followed by "the 3090 is the flagship..." quoted from nvidia...

the 3090 is a joke if you don't need the memory don't get it.

video: "You're Being Misled" you have something every in common with these companies.

[NikosD]

3080 is strictly a 4K gaming card, not less.

10GB of VRAM is the bare minimum for nowadays gaming at 4K and using Borderlands 3 with RayTracing you already need more than 10GB of VRAM for highest settings.

For next-gen gaming at 4K, it could be possible that 10GB will not be enough.

A future proof card for the next two years until the new architecture comes, should have more than 10GB of VRAM for 4K.

[NikosD]

Big Navi is freaking fast.

Even 6800 XT is beating 3080 in 3DMark.

nVidia lost the battle.

Game Over.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rade...es-hit-the-web

[el Filou]

Originally Posted by chros

Yes, that's true, but how much does the OS need? 1 / 2 GB?

Cineaste already replied that the OS in consoles need more than that, but also don't forget there are other data than just graphics, and games still need them in system RAM.

[NikosD]

nVidia is falling apart.

After the cancellation of 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB the AIBs are really pissed off.

After the non existent availability of 3080/3090 cards, the gamers/ clients are pissed off.

nVidia right now wants to take back the whole release of Ampere cards, but it's too late.

They have released the goddamned cards!

Oh Red October...What you have done to poor Intel and poor nVidia.

https://youtu.be/VWAzm-DUcM4

[NikosD]

But there are others who think differently and don't believe in all this hype.

Jarred Walton from Tom's Hardware, a site which has become a part of recent history while reviewing nVidia GPUs with the unforgettable "Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money" says that "Fake Rumors Suck: Will the Real RX 6000 Please Stand Up?"

Regarding the performance teaser of RX 6000 card in Ryzen 5000 announcement he believes

Regarding that last point, one take (my take) is AMD would show its highest-performance option, meaning the RX 6900 XT

He also likes to remind us about Fiji architecture back in 2015 which lost the battle from the last minute reveal of 980 Ti and RX Vega 64 which stayed behind from 1080 Ti.

But he seems to forget (?) that for Ampere architecture, the 3080 is the 980 Ti and the 1080 Ti of the past and the fastest version of the same die is 3090, only 10% faster in games.

There are no other rabbits for nVidia to pull out of the hat.

Jarred Walton from Tom's Hardware is wrong. AMD didn't show 6900 XT but 6800 XT with one month older than final drivers (my take)

6800 XT trade blows with 3800 (it's faster in more games than it's slower) and 6900 XT...well...we 'll see...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/fa...lease-stand-up

[NoTechi]

Not sure if it belongs here but for those who are not aware of it it might be interesting.
In short marantz, denon and yamaha hdmi 2.1 implementation has a bug which can't be fixed by an software update. It causes a black screen under certain settings with new nvidia gpus and the upcoming xbox. PS5 is not affected. Will be interesting to see if new amd gpu are also affected.

Lots of German sites are informing about this bug atm but here is one in english and here on avs forum.



NoTechi

[clsid]

Disabling GSync / VRR solves those AVR problems for some people.