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There's a key part of his problem. He's probably getting questionable advice.
The rest of us discuss ideas on how to process these episodes in the open so others can offer improvement and alternate methods, not hide them in the dark. |
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Our private messages are specifically about the retrograde field behavior issue, since you're all apparently unwilling to discuss it here.
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You implied.... no actually stated... that QTGMC's lossless mode doesn't field match. Of course it was a criticism. Quote:
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It doesn't take any reading skills to know that in almost every thread where you ask a question, someone complains about your attitude. You've not mentioned any of the screenshots or samples I uploaded. Why not discuss them instead of just bickering? Or at least discuss the topic in addition to bickering. Where's your encodes showing how your method does it better? I supplied links for the source files that others supplied, and you provided links to your own source samples. Show us how they look using your method and explain why it's better instead of just pontificating. Last edited by hello_hello; 20th May 2020 at 04:17. |
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Geez but I'm getting sick of this. I'll happily close this thread and any other where the male testosterone level gets too high. For the last time, keep it civil. Don't gimme any of the "But she started it" crap, either. Some of you people behave like children.
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"And an interlaced content" sample was requested. It's a separate topic. I suggested someone post both earlier. People might see "combing" on text or fades and identify it as "interlaced", but I'm not interested in text or fades - that has already been established. I'm asking if there is actual interlaced content other than text or fades - that affects how you might approach VFR |
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OOh, gotcha. Well I already posted samples of retrograde field behavior a long time ago in the two other threads dedicated to that exact topic. I'm not sure what would be gained from posting them a third time, since the consensus hasn't changed: You have to either throw half the fields away or blend. Or manually correct the field order one field at a time with dozens of trim commands, if a sane field order even exists in the first place.
I'm pretty sure you already know what interlacing looks like, so I'm not sure why you'd need a sample of that either. EDIT: if you mean that you specifically want samples of these things from DS9, then I'm the wrong person to ask, since I don't have DS9 at home.
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People use various terms all the time, but sometimes some people describe things incorrectly. Or some people used ffms2 in this thread . I've seen that cause field misorder - is that the cause ? Or something else in the script ? Or some other program ? Quote:
3:2 telecine can look like "interlacing" too in layman's terms on some frames . But it's not interlaced content. |
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My Star Trek DVD collection is limited to the first ten movies and Voyager. It's up to Joel to provide DS9 clips. But if h_h wants to lose a bet with me about his/her incorrect and easily disprovable claims about the threads that I start, then I promise that DS9 will be the first thing I buy with his/her money.
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Why are you insisting on discussing what you call "retrograde field behaviour" in a DS9 thread when you don't even have samples to show it's a problem? |
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I think I understand what PDR means when he says "actual interlaced content other than text or fades". You mean 60 hz content where the WHOLE image is changing every 1/60th of a second, not where parts of it change every 1/30th of a second and other parts change every 1/24th of a second, right? I agree, finding out how much of that content exists in DS9 has huge ramifications, for reasons explained in post #257
EDIT: I am such an idiot. There's no need to specify field parity for TFM at all. You can just let line C use whatever field AVIsynth says is first, and let line D use complementparity(): Code:
Y=nnedi3(field=-2) A=yadifmod2(mode=1,edeint=Y).selecteven() B=yadifmod2(mode=1,edeint=Y).selectodd() C=Tfm(clip2=A) D=complementparity().Tfm(clip2=B) Interleave(C,D) Then it'll work on both TFF and BFF content without needing manual adjustment.
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Ok, so, a few things:
1). I messaged KB about what she calls "retrograde field behavior" because when I first attempted to run various TIVTC scripts against DS9, one of the problems all of these scripts introduced into various *specific* video sequences was frames moving backwards. This problem is actually what pushed me away from TIVTC and towards QTGMC in the first place. The reason I messaged her privately, ironically, is precisely because I was trying to avoid drama here. I followed KB's instructions for looking for this behavior. I did not see it. I am not here to argue with anyone. I am not here to take sides or cause fights. 2). I am not going to keep anything in the dark. The entire stated purpose of my project is to create a tutorial. 3). H_H, I saw your response to me and I'll respond back to you tomorrow. Had a major work project for the last couple days. I appreciate people being helpful with this project. I know I have been slow to test some of these workflow ideas -- I've been hit with other projects and I'm preparing to move -- but I intend to spend some time with it this weekend. |
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One update to the above. I have done what some of you have recommended: Specifically, I analyzed the file with DGIndex, created a D2V file, and then used StaxRip to rip the VOB to an MKV. The resulting file is in 29.97 fps, not 23.976 fps -- but this injects 3:2 pulldown where none previously existed.
Do I really want to convert the episode into 29.97 fps? |
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Bad idea. After decrypting the DVD to the hard drive, you make the D2V file for the episode and then use MPEG2Source on it. That's thoroughly explained in the docs accompanying the DGMPGDec package. Forget repackaging to an MKV. I don't know whose toes I stepped on with that statement.
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It already is i60 (when the soft pulldown flag is honored). You don't want an input file that changes framerates. That's how you have audio sync issues. Because you have a mix of i60 encoded content and p24 content with a soft pulldown you need to apply the soft pulldown and work from there. The flags=5 argument in TFM will undo the soft pulldown perfectly without relying on visually matching fields.
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BTW, the term "retrograde field behavior" isn't mine. I got it from John Meyer. No, you want to convert it to 59.94
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TFM(D2V="Video.d2v",Flags=5) I've always used the default 4, but if you prefer 5 for these... |
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