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Old 29th December 2016, 22:09   #41781  |  Link
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4K 4:4:4 10 bit does not exceed the limits of HDMI 2.0?
At 60Hz it does, but the majority of people don't have a 4K TV yet (like the person who asked above, the model he listed is FullHD)
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Old 29th December 2016, 22:20   #41782  |  Link
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4K 4:4:4 10 bit does not exceed the limits of HDMI 2.0?
only for anything above 2160p30....
since most video is 23.976fps, you can do 23.976Hz at 2160p 4:4:4 10bit...
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Old 30th December 2016, 00:34   #41783  |  Link
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Thanks for the answer. I am actually using a 4K TV with a GTX 970 through HDMI 1.4a.
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Old 30th December 2016, 21:20   #41784  |  Link
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NGU vs Sony and Samsung with the ability to analyze Stream input in Realtime and adapt could be interesting
NGU goes overboard and crash and burns why do you want to compare it?
but maybe its hard to see on a LCD/OLED tv with only 300 lines of motion resolution lol
its still blurry as hell.

for plasma users NGU looks crap
i get the same effect if i bump up sharpness +20.
Hello to flickering chainsaw edges and morie patterns all over the image.

NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Back to the drawing table madshi
and one tip: use a proper tv to evaluate your scaling algorithms

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Old 30th December 2016, 23:06   #41785  |  Link
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If you like nnedi sharpness (without SuperRes) you can use NGU + Soften Edges 3 to kill sharpness and get nnedi (without SuperRes) sharpness level.
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Old 31st December 2016, 00:03   #41786  |  Link
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NGU goes overboard and crash and burns why do you want to compare it?
but maybe its hard to see on a LCD/OLED tv with only 300 lines of motion resolution lol
its still blurry as hell.

for plasma users NGU looks crap
i get the same effect if i bump up sharpness +20.
Hello to flickering chainsaw edges and morie patterns all over the image.

NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Back to the drawing table madshi
and one tip: use a proper tv to evaluate your scaling algorithms
300 lines is a little extreme low KS Series isnt that bad in most ISF Calibrator Certified tests according to them non native Samsung can even reach full 1080 lines with their PP

300 nativ would be rather the lower price range Performance.
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Old 31st December 2016, 00:11   #41787  |  Link
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just ignore it. it is not a secret that sony with impulse mode and samsung with BFI do 2160 lines... just move on...

without bfi and black light strob you will get 300 lines of motion resolution. which is only one part of motion plasma rainbow...
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300 ?

its double of that in the KS series entry level on a native 120 Hz Panel if you turn BFI (Clear Motion) off

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without setting you are wasting your time.
motion interpolation increase this too.

as long as a displays is sample hold it will stay at 300 lines for 60 FPS.
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Old 31st December 2016, 08:27   #41790  |  Link
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NGU goes overboard and crash and burns
Correction, produces coil whine

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but maybe its hard to see on a LCD/OLED tv with only 300 lines of motion resolution lol
Or a 1024x768 or whatever plasma.. :P

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for plasma users NGU looks crap
i get the same effect if i bump up sharpness +20.
Hello to flickering chainsaw edges and morie patterns all over the image.
YMMV I guess.. I had a good laugh from this though.

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NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Not entirely true, madshi developed this using various ground truths, in many cases this would produce a natural and accurate image. In saying that I doubt I'll use it any time soon.

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100% agree. A blind dog can't lead a blind man.
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greetings to all ..
is there a way to mask the image in the top of the screen side with madVR?
leaving the top fixed without scale the image?
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How should I configure madvr/lav in order to perform HDR-->SDR conversion and leaving BT.2020 untouched?

I have a JVC projector and a popular method of watching UHD is to let Panasonic UB700/900 do HDR-->SDR conversion with BT.2020 passthrough with the help of the HD fury/integral. I am basically interested in doing the same thing with Madvr since I now have HDR content on my HTPC. I am thinking this should be possible?
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Just set your display device in madVR to be native BT.2020 ("is already calibrated to bt.2020" on the device page), then it should leave it alone.
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Ok sounds good
When MadVR is set to "is already calibrated to bt.2020" and it receives rec709, I assume that it leaves it untouched and doesn't try to expand the gamut? I am looking for a "set it and forget it"-setting and only adjust the color gamut in the projector depending on content.
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NGU goes overboard and crash and burns why do you want to compare it?
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NNEDI3 produces an accurate and natural image NGU does not.
Back to the drawing table madshi
I haven't been following up NGU very closely recently, but last I remember everyone was raving about it. Samples looked great with it. Did people's opinions on it change?
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No, it is just that Patrik didn't like it. You can never please everyone.
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At 60Hz it does, but the majority of people don't have a 4K TV yet (like the person who asked above, the model he listed is FullHD)
4k 60mhz 4.4.4 exceeds 18Gbps bandwidths? Are you sure?
I use it but change automatically to 23/24 mhz when the movie is 23.976 fps...

Always with uhd deep color enabled. Using in 60 mhz or 23/24 mhz noticed that it looks bad or choppy.
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I haven't been following up NGU very closely recently, but last I remember everyone was raving about it. Samples looked great with it. Did people's opinions on it change?
For my NGU does a good job. Much faster than neddi.
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4k 60mhz 4.4.4 exceeds 18Gbps bandwidths?
For >=10 bit and if you add the overhead: yes.
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If you add the overhead: yes.
Always with uhd deep color enabled. Using in 60 mhz or 23/24 mhz noticed that it looks bad or choppy.
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