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Old 2nd April 2016, 02:56   #37341  |  Link
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Every device should have an easy OSD on/off option.. but that is another dedicated button.

It would be nice to have for madVR.
Sure, if it happened, I'd prefer to be able to turn off different types of notifications. It is nice to have for profiles but annoying for notifications such as fullscreen exclusive mode.
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Old 2nd April 2016, 03:23   #37342  |  Link
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Still a bit confused why anyone even wants a notification on this one anyway
You could always ask for a refund and besides mVR should come with a license for commercial use IMO, for instance the upscales I see in the news look like junk huh! They show you close-ups of dangerous ppl extracted from CCTV and you can barely see anything, these ppl should use NNEDI3+SR+SSIM duh

These notifications are indeed darn annoying but madshi doesn't mind them and we should consider that he's kind enough to share his work with us for free, he's the one to please and he seemingly likes them......someday in a few years an option to disable them might arrive, just don't hold your breath ^^

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Old 2nd April 2016, 04:04   #37343  |  Link
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You could always ask for a refund and besides mVR should come with a license for commercial use IMO, for instance the upscales I see in the news look like junk huh! They show you close-ups of dangerous ppl extracted from CCTV and you can barely see anything, these ppl should use NNEDI3+SR+SSIM duh

These notifications are indeed darn annoying but madshi doesn't mind them and we should consider that he's kind enough to share his work with us for free, he's the one to please and he seemingly likes them......someday in a few years an option to disable them might arrive, just don't hold your breath ^^
I cant ask for a refund when I didn't pay for madvr.

I certainly don't mind paying for anything especially AV. There is a whole bunch of people on forums that don't want to pay for anything, I even paid the optional fee for MakeMKV, the developer should get something for all his hard work, why should I expect anything for free in life???

I paid for JRiver as I was sick of the free Kodi with issues. If I had to pay for madvr bring it on, Im more than happy to pay for it. Madshi should be paid by all of us, whats wrong with that?

If Madshi wants to give me a button to turn off the notifications Ill pay today!
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Old 2nd April 2016, 04:15   #37344  |  Link
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Sure, if it happened, I'd prefer to be able to turn off different types of notifications. It is nice to have for profiles but annoying for notifications such as fullscreen exclusive mode.
Warner would you mind explaining exactly what Exclusive mode is doing for me please?
I noticed when I turn it off I get dropped frames, when its on everything sits on zero dropped frames.
The only thing I don't like about it is the flashing on and off when touching any settings....

But I really need to understand what else is it really doing for me beside stopping the odd dropped frames....

I do notice you have to use Window mode all the time don't you, even with Exclusive mode?
When I turn OFF window mode I get lots of dropped frames....
Still learning all this stuff...

But I must admit I have an image from heaven using madvr with Jriver
When I go to scope on my 145" wide screen using the RS600 projector its truly breath-taking, my image is 500% better than when I was using Kodi. Madvr has given me an image to die for, Im almost speechless watching all my 800 BDs over agin...Thank you madshi for this magic of yours!

However I will continue to use the JVC stretch as I don't want to see these notifications for A stretch using madvr. Im sure madvr probably does the stretch way better than the JVC but at this point in time I cant tell

Thanks to guys on this forum who have helped me, its a daunting task learning this new stuff and without you I probably may have given up...
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Old 2nd April 2016, 04:40   #37345  |  Link
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Warner would you mind explaining exactly what Exclusive mode is doing for me please?
I noticed when I turn it off I get dropped frames, when its on everything sits on zero dropped frames.
The only thing I don't like about it is the flashing on and off when touching any settings....

But I really need to understand what else is it really doing for me beside stopping the odd dropped frames....
Exclusive mode is a different way to use Direct3D, madVR has "exclusive" access to the screen so it has more control over how frames are displayed but nothing else can be displayed. This is why it usually has better performance. The flicker is simply how the GPU driver switches modes.

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I do notice you have to use Window mode all the time don't you, even with Exclusive mode?
When I turn OFF window mode I get lots of dropped frames....
Still learning all this stuff...
Do you mean "enable windowed overlay"? This is also a different mode, this option does not affect full screen playback if "Full Screen Exclusive" is also enabled, Full Screen Exclusive is used when full screen instead. Windowed Overlay is not an exclusive mode but it is a fairly low-level hardware video overlay mode. It bypasses much of the OS, including the 1D calibration LUTs from the ICC profile and screenshots are impossible when using it.
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Old 2nd April 2016, 05:27   #37346  |  Link
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Exclusive mode is a different way to use Direct3D, madVR has "exclusive" access to the screen so it has more control over how frames are displayed but nothing else can be displayed. This is why it is usually has better performance. The flicker is simply how the GPU driver switches modes.



Do you mean "enable windowed overlay"? This is also a different mode, this option does not effect full screen playback if "Full Screen Exclusive" is also enabled. Windowed Overlay is not an exclusive mode but it is a fairly low-level hardware video overlay mode. It bypasses much of the OS, including the 1D calibration LUTs from the ICC profile and screenshots are impossible when using it.
Thanks for the response...
I did mean enable window mode.

Should the both be used together or not?
Enable widow Mode - yes
Enable Exclusive Mode - yes
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Old 2nd April 2016, 12:58   #37347  |  Link
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Warner would you mind explaining exactly what Exclusive mode is doing for me please?
I noticed when I turn it off I get dropped frames, when its on everything sits on zero dropped frames.
The only thing I don't like about it is the flashing on and off when touching any settings....

But I really need to understand what else is it really doing for me beside stopping the odd dropped frames....

I do notice you have to use Window mode all the time don't you, even with Exclusive mode?
When I turn OFF window mode I get lots of dropped frames....
Still learning all this stuff...

But I must admit I have an image from heaven using madvr with Jriver
When I go to scope on my 145" wide screen using the RS600 projector its truly breath-taking, my image is 500% better than when I was using Kodi. Madvr has given me an image to die for, Im almost speechless watching all my 800 BDs over agin...Thank you madshi for this magic of yours!

However I will continue to use the JVC stretch as I don't want to see these notifications for A stretch using madvr. Im sure madvr probably does the stretch way better than the JVC but at this point in time I cant tell

Thanks to guys on this forum who have helped me, its a daunting task learning this new stuff and without you I probably may have given up...
70mm please continue with your feedback. I too use Jriver with madVR and love it. Although your gripes might appear minor in the grand scheme of technical things from a commercial product perspective they are very valuable. I help create products and no matter how much more I want to show my prospective customers the art of the possible and to go beyond their reference of thinking - ultimately if its a pain to use or is just plain annoying it really doesn't matter how fantastic my product is ...
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Old 2nd April 2016, 15:57   #37348  |  Link
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b) Do you consider the anti-bloating and anti-ringing options useful for SuperRes? I think anti-bloating might not be beneficial here, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Do you see any benefit in the anti-ringing option? SuperRes already didn't ring that much, so I wonder if the separate anti-ringing post processing option is worthwhile in your opinion or not?
Yes, anti-ringing makes a difference. It's not a huge difference but it avoids some ringing with SuperRes so I think you should keep this option.
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c) Do you consider the "anti-bloating" filter useful for SSIM downscaling? If so, which strength settings do you like?
I didn't find an example where the anti-bloating filter makes a difference vs simply a lower SSIM value.
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d) Which of the two anti-ringing options do you prefer for downscaling? (Edit: FYI, these options do *not* affect SSIM downscaling)
I didn't find an example where I found a difference regarding sharpness between these two options so I would choose the strict option to avoid ringing as much as possible. But I use a UHD TV so downscaling is not very easy to test for me, I don't have a lot of samples
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Old 2nd April 2016, 21:09   #37349  |  Link
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Blank Screen

Hey Madashi, I'm getting a blank screen maybe 10% of the time when switching to fullscreen exclusive mode. The player does not crash but, it does freeze my whole computer for about 20- 30 seconds then suddenly it starts working. I've only noticed it since 90.16 was released.

I'm using the latest nvidia driver on windows 10 64bit, mpc-hc, lav and reclock

Anyone else run into this issue?

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Old 2nd April 2016, 21:29   #37350  |  Link
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Madashi I've spent hours with the latest build and these are the conclusions I've reached to your questions.

a) Do you consider the "anti-bloating" filter useful for sharpening (LumaSharpen + AdaptiveSharpen)? If so, which strength settings do you like?

- I do find antibloat useful for Adaptive sharpen 0.7 + crispen edges 1.0. It helps remove the paintbrush effect. I've settled on a strength of 125 for upscaling 720p content

b) Do you consider the anti-bloating and anti-ringing options useful for SuperRes? I think anti-bloating might not be beneficial here, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Do you see any benefit in the anti-ringing option? SuperRes already didn't ring that much, so I wonder if the separate anti-ringing post processing option is worthwhile in your opinion or not?

- I've experimented with this on and off and if there is a benefit I'm having a hard time picking it out. I use super res 2 for 720p content anything higher is to aggressive

c) Do you consider the "anti-bloating" filter useful for SSIM downscaling? If so, which strength settings do you like?

- YES but only when SSIM is at a strength of 100%. Otherwise you lose to much detail. Currently using at a strength of 100%. Anything higher and it cancels out the benefit of SSIM, IMO

d) Which of the two anti-ringing options do you prefer for downscaling? (Edit: FYI, these options do *not* affect SSIM downscaling)

- Relaxed. I have a panasonic VT series plasma and some are reporting they can see no difference. I can see a noticeable difference and relaxed retains more detail. strict is to aggressive. Relaxed does a good job of limiting ringing while retaining detail.

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Old 2nd April 2016, 23:13   #37351  |  Link
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Hey Madashi, I'm getting a blank screen maybe 10% of the time when switching to fullscreen exclusive mode.
I'm using the latest nvidia driver on windows 10 64bit, mpc-hc, lav and reclock
Try a clean install or roll back to a previous driver (always use clean) There have been some problems with the latest driver from Nvidia but whether your issues are related to that or just a messy install you'll have to find out but I haven't seen anyone with that issue.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 19:01   #37352  |  Link
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Has anyone gotten 3D subtitles to work so far? I'm letting MakeMKV take Audio/Video/Subs first and then mux it into a .m2ts via tsmuxer as .mkv doesn't allow 3D planes, is this the correct way? Can't find any proper instructions on how do it :

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Has anyone gotten 3D subtitles to work so far? I'm letting MakeMKV take Audio/Video/Subs first and then mux it into a .m2ts via tsmuxer as .mkv doesn't allow 3D planes, is this the correct way? Can't find any proper instructions on how do it :
If you want to preserve everything, then don't remux it at all. Muxing into m2ts will lose pretty much all special metadata. Its not inside the m2ts on the Blu-ray, but in the playlist metadata files.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 20:59   #37354  |  Link
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Guys, try out Bilateral with SR2 for chroma. I'm really quite liking it for film content, but haven't tried it for cartoons yet.

The drawback with bilateral has always been that the algorithm sucks very badly whenever there isn't information in the luma channel to refine the chroma channel, resulting in what looks like dithered, noisy edges. However, superres is able to "fix" some of those bad edges at the cost of the crispness of the well-reconstructed edges. The result is something pretty close to nnedi or SXBR, but with less source ringing and much thinner edges. Anyways, here's some screenshots. This is chroma channel only, comparing bilateral SR2 to nnedi64. I have nnedi64 with and without SR2 in case people think the sharpness is from SR.

http://imgur.com/a/tfQOy
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Old 3rd April 2016, 22:01   #37355  |  Link
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Guys any response to this question please?

Should the both be used together or not?
Enable Window Mode - yes
Enable Exclusive Mode - yes
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Old 3rd April 2016, 22:18   #37356  |  Link
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Am I the only one who has trouble with SSIM 2D (and forget about Reconstruction, the biggest resource hog of the lot)? The usage spikes big time over SSIM 1D.

On another note - I made the mistake of opening a 4K 60fps vid I had in my downloads, probably the one off Youtube... constant dropped frames. MadVR isn't needed with those videos I know, but I am curious why when my 980ti was only at 80-90% usage it was dropping a number of frames each second. Surely that only happens when the GPU is hitting 100%?
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Old 3rd April 2016, 23:26   #37357  |  Link
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If you want to preserve everything, then don't remux it at all. Muxing into m2ts will lose pretty much all special metadata. Its not inside the m2ts on the Blu-ray, but in the playlist metadata files.
Well .iso doesn't work, so a Blu-Ray folder structure by opening index.bdmv is the only way?
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Old 3rd April 2016, 23:53   #37358  |  Link
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Guys any response to this question please?

Should the both be used together or not?
Enable Window Mode - yes
Enable Exclusive Mode - yes
that that works best for you.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 23:58   #37359  |  Link
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that that works best for you.
Sorry Im new to all this so still don't understand your answer. What should I be seeing to know which way works best for me please?

How do most set this up for playing movies?
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i guess most are using window mode.

there is no simply answer. if you don't see any issues as it is now you can leave it as it is. if you get dropped frames or high present times try a different mode.

the number of presentation modes is pretty high if you count backbuffer and present in advance in.

on a dual display setup window mode as a chance to fail compared to FSE or overlay mode.

and the options names you are using here aren't the names in the madVR options. so i can only guess what the program you are using is changing in the madVR settings.
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