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Hi folks,
I've come across a few videos that will eventually (usually within 15-20 minutes of playback from any starting point) drop a frame or more (as reported by madvr and my eyes) followed by a major shift in clock deviation (from 0.000xx to as much as 0.0xxxx & from 1 frame drop every 1.0x hours to a drop every few minutes). All other media plays without this issue. The issue occurs with the default madvr settings as well. Here's the media info from one of the troublesome videos: Code:
General Unique ID : 191280449393230205331942369617805654636 (0x8FE7464759CE9273CFFDDCA26ED93A6C) Complete name : /Volumes/downloads/TV/Proven Innocent/Proven Innocent S01E01.mkv Format : Matroska Format version : Version 4 File size : 1.22 GiB Duration : 45mn 19s Overall bit rate : 3 842 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 2019-02-16 04:39:03 Writing application : mkvmerge v21.0.0 ('Tardigrades Will Inherit The Earth') 64-bit Writing library : libebml v1.3.5 + libmatroska v1.4.8 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings : CABAC / 9 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 9 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 45mn 19s Bit rate : 3 392 Kbps Width : 1 280 pixels Height : 716 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (23976/1000) fps Original frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154 Stream size : 1.07 GiB (88%) Writing library : x264 core 157 r2935 545de2f Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=9 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=230 / keyint_min=22 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=17500 / vbv_bufsize=17500 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Default : Yes Forced : No Color range : Limited Matrix coefficients : BT.709 Audio ID : 2 Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 45mn 19s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 SPF) Bit depth : 16 bits Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : 48ms Stream size : 145 MiB (12%) Language : English Service kind : Complete Main Default : Yes Forced : No Text ID : 3 Format : UTF-8 Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8 Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text Duration : 44mn 40s Bit rate : 124 bps Count of elements : 983 Stream size : 40.6 KiB (0%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No ->g. Last edited by glc650; 19th February 2019 at 02:45. |
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This technology is already available, it's only used in the Eizo Reference HDR monitor right now, CG3145. $30,000 msrp, $45,000 street price, (highly in demand) But this tech vastly surpasses OLED's capabilities, because it will EVENTUALLY allow for Backlight blink motion blur reduction. (ULMB) OLED can not possibly match the motion clarity once that is implemented. Hisense and TCL also have a variant of this light modulation layer tech using VA-panel. They will be introducing it under their ULED lines in a short while.
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Just use HDR to SDR , and when you calibrate, run the porjector setting at its 2.2 gamma response setting, and also Select 2.2 in Dispcal/HCFR
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Cough.. I kinda liked the Blown out red.. ![]() But does Calibration not rein it in ? Also, are you guys sure HDMI intent has nothing to do with this, because I know that one of my tvs will go into a Different Gamut mode with significantly wider red and green with a different render intent. So if the driver is triggering something in the TV to switch gamut space, that may be the issue, and not necessarily caused by madvr/amd
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But if you're rich, and throw money at problems, NGU FTW. !!
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Ok, so, If we had say a 750ti. benches 3747. It won't be able to push NGU upscaling 1080p to 4K. But if we had it render out into a 24fps 4K file, It should be able to playback the file straight with no upscaling algorithm required, no ?? I mean, this is probably niche, maybe a novelty, it sounded plausible when I first thunk it.. ![]()
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You would have to then store that file which means - if you don't want to consume terabytes storing it losslessly as clsid noted - you'll have to encode it again with a lossy codec which means loss of quality.
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Even though I can afford NGU, to be honest, I still prefer the ReconSoft+JincAR combo, quality-wise. It preserves the original picture far better to my eye. And when source artifacts are a problem, RCA is just the tool for the job, regardless of the upscaler.
It might be different for extreme cases like upscaling 480p to 4K, though. Haven't had anything like that to watch in a while. |
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There could be a couple of reasons: - The projector is misinterpreting DCI-P3 or BT.2020. It may not recognize a DCI-P3 source, so it would more likely be DCI-P3. HDR content is supposed to report BT.2020 to the projector because that is dictated by the HDR specification standard. You own an AMD GPU, so you can't check report BT.2020 to the display to make DCI-P3 appear as BT.2020. - The AMD video driver is causing over or undersaturation with DCI-P3 or BT.2020. I would test SDR BT.709 content and see if it looks accurate. The colors should look natural without any oversaturation. To test accuracy, also try setting both madVR and the projector to BT.709 and play some SDR BT.709 content.
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Test file here for anyone interested in comparing... https://ufile.io/1vy8u
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Yeah working now, well I use Jinc for upscaling Chroma to 2160p, but I still see 18 Flashing faintly which is as good as I could get it with this TV.
What scaler are you saying there is issues with ?
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1080p material (and below) scaled to 4k - NGU sharp Luma produces very different black levels, hence sharing the link for people to test on their setup, if they want to.
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Ah ok but better or worse, tried NGU and I can not see a difference tbh, the numbers stayed the same as far as I can tell.
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direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
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