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Old 16th July 2019, 14:52   #56861  |  Link
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HDR switch has always worked in win 10 with AMD apart from one driver version if memory serves, has NVIDIA broken this again in win10?
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Old 16th July 2019, 15:58   #56862  |  Link
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2 and a half month until we get a new WDDM version which will come first the banding fix or this new version your bets are on.
Actually 19H2 is not a major version upgrade, its more akin to a Service Pack in the olden days. The next major update will be 20H1, which Insiders in the Fast Ring are testing now.

So there is a good chance it won't actually have a new WDDM version.
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Old 16th July 2019, 16:20   #56863  |  Link
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I use W10 1903. I have zero banding using nVidia. I'm also using an older driver. I have to. They took 3D vision away recently and before that screwed with drivers so much, non-madVR players started acting up. I don't mind. I don't need newer drivers to keep up with games. I'm interested in watching movies to help divert my attention from the screwed up world it has become and don't need to provide gaming drivers for children. Children who need to get a job more than sit on the couch with a bong and complain they can't play the newest kill or be killed parlay released. Xbox and PlayStation will have to suffice. I'm also using an older card. A 960. It meets the madVR processing I require. I don't need any more. Maybe when I start ripping 8k and need to decode it. I'd much rather keep the O/S updated for free than spend a mortgage payment on the newest wiz bang video card I need like a hole in the head and make my O/S suffer for it. But that's just me and how I roll... right, wrong, or indifferent.
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Old 16th July 2019, 16:27   #56864  |  Link
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I wish they'd continue introducing major changes only once per year, and half-year 'service' releases like they're doing this year, that way we can just update to the mid-year service release.
The problem is not really the changes, it's good to see advances in technology, it's that it looks like nobody is testing them before release, not even the hardware vendors & software devs.
The change to sound driver architecture in 1903 that huhn mentionned hasn't been talked about much before release (just a note 'Creative X-Fis don't work anymore lol' and no details from MS on their changes) even though it broke a lot of specialty sound hardware. The graphics vendors also seem to discover all the issues only after release.
At this point I just hope they're not gonna change BDA one day and break my TV tuners who are working just fine with drivers from 2009 even though the manufacturer doesn't exist anymore...
I never had problems until now but it's only because I upgrade to a new build after a few months, just before the next one is to be released really.
Preview is the new beta, and Release is the new Release Candidate.
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Old 16th July 2019, 17:08   #56865  |  Link
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The banding is not a WDDM bug, and there is a workaround for it:
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...sue_since_the/
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Old 16th July 2019, 17:23   #56866  |  Link
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One reason is for JVC pj users who want to output in 12 bit, the pj uses the wrong colourspace if the option is not set
When ticked it's used to autoswitch a jvc projector to sdr -> hdr when using a HdFury Vertex switch
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Old 16th July 2019, 20:34   #56867  |  Link
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The banding is not a WDDM bug, and there is a workaround for it:
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...sue_since_the/
it' at least here known that the issue can be fix by blockign that but that doesn't change that the WDDM version is clearly part of it the problem only happens when the new WDDM version is used.

using a driver that doesn't support the new WDDM version and you will not get banding, on the other hand using a new driver with an older windows build has no banding too.

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Actually 19H2 is not a major version upgrade, its more akin to a Service Pack in the olden days. The next major update will be 20H1, which Insiders in the Fast Ring are testing now.

So there is a good chance it won't actually have a new WDDM version.
well that'S bad for my bet because i have my bet on it get's fixed with a new WDDM version.
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Old 16th July 2019, 23:34   #56868  |  Link
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The banding is not a WDDM bug, and there is a workaround for it:
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comm...sue_since_the/
Apparently with limited success
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Old 17th July 2019, 12:45   #56869  |  Link
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Hi all, i want just to share my experience with 1903

Yesterday I've updated and no issues so far, to be honest i saw a small improvement in the rendering times.
HDR switch is working, no strange banding, FSE still working , 10 bit is working.

I have a amd card (rx460) and amd processor (ryzen)

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Old 17th July 2019, 14:07   #56870  |  Link
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Hi all, i want just to share my experience with 1903

Yesterday I've updated and no issues so far, to be honest i saw a small improvement in the rendering times.
HDR switch is working, no strange banding, FSE still working , 10 bit is working.

I have a amd card (rx460) and amd processor (ryzen)

bye
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Old 17th July 2019, 14:48   #56871  |  Link
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must be nice to be that ignorant of issues.

it doesn't affect me if i don't use it so there is no problem!
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Old 17th July 2019, 15:16   #56872  |  Link
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must be nice to be that ignorant of issues.

it doesn't affect me if i don't use it so there is no problem!
are you talking to me ?
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Old 17th July 2019, 16:08   #56873  |  Link
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are you talking to me ?
Sometimes he's grumpy, just leave him be

Something else: madvrlabs
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Old 17th July 2019, 18:01   #56874  |  Link
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well that's bad for my bet because i have my bet on it get's fixed with a new WDDM version.
The WDDM version defines the API, not its implementation. They can fix it in one of the monthly updates.
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I guess that the motion interpolation refers to the Envy, does anyone know any more detail about this? It could be a very interesting add-on, especially if it's CNN based.
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Old 18th July 2019, 00:02   #56876  |  Link
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Hi all, i want just to share my experience with 1903

Yesterday I've updated and no issues so far, to be honest i saw a small improvement in the rendering times.
HDR switch is working, no strange banding, FSE still working , 10 bit is working.

I have a amd card (rx460) and amd processor (ryzen)

bye
good to know thanks, i've put off upgrading for now, no reason to upgrade yet as everything works fine.
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Old 18th July 2019, 00:06   #56877  |  Link
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every 1903 user with new GPU driver get's banding everyone so you going to tell me that 5% and this is not the first time and this will not be the last time.
Windows is a general purpose platform. I think it is quite normal that you have to 'fine-tune' for a special purpose like HTPC.
For most of the problems there are workarounds, updates or according settings like madvr rendering settings.

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there is not a single know major problem with win 8 for years.
Maybe. Weīre talking about an OS already older than 5 years. We donīt live anymore in the 80s, there 5 years were a long time. How long do you want to keep this system? I know there are still fans for XP out there.
We canīt talk about Windows 10 vs. Windows 8 because of the new structure of Windows 10. We have Windows 10 1507 ... 1903 so we have to compare them and not simply talk about "Windows 10".
Windows 8.1 support ends January 2023, then there will be no discussion about this anymore. I think already today most of the HTPC users use Windows 10 as OS.

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because you are willing to spend hours to fix win 10 don't except other user to waste there time.
Why do you think that I have any expectations?
Everyone can do what he wants to do in free-time.
The home cinema topic always leads to a kind of tuning, fixing, optimal setting and so on.
Wasting time is a relative matter. Some people have no problem with OS tinkering. Some have no problem with pixelhunting of 400% magnified single frames. All of this can be a fascinating hobby or a total nightmare, depends on the personality.
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Old 18th July 2019, 11:32   #56878  |  Link
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Hi, how do i enable madvr to convert HDR content to SDR in mpc-hc?
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Old 18th July 2019, 11:54   #56879  |  Link
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In MPC-HC: Options->Playback->Output select madVR as video renderer.
In madVR settings: devices->[your display]->hdr->tone map HDR using pixel shaders. Set "target peak nits" to a fitting value (until it looks "right" if you don't know).
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Old 18th July 2019, 14:09   #56880  |  Link
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Somehow BT.2390 doesn't let me go less than 100 (higher value make it too dark). With cliping, at 130 the brightness is about ok but for color the light blue disappear next to white cloud.
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