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Old 29th March 2018, 00:51   #49921  |  Link
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Change the order from low to high instead of high to low:
2160p29, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60

Edit: Seems the refresh rate matter is fixed. The correct display modes were 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p50, 2160p59 and 2160p60. At least, that's what I'd use.

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Old 29th March 2018, 00:57   #49922  |  Link
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Edit: Seems the refresh rate matter is fixed. The correct display modes were 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p50, 2160p59 and 2160p60. At least, that's what I'd use.

It did the job for me too, do u think we need to keep 23p and 24p too ? or from 30p and above?
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Old 29th March 2018, 01:19   #49923  |  Link
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Swap the 2160p50 for 2160p25. There are euro 25fps titles you may need to refresh rate match before 50fps titles and 25Hz will do 50Hz if needed. You definitely should keep 24p and 23p as that is what 99% of titles are.
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Old 29th March 2018, 02:34   #49924  |  Link
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Doesnt look like MPDN does 23,976 playback, i cant see anything in settings and nothing comes back on a google search, any other DIRECT3D11 players?
change it in the windows settings. it' pretty deep and in there to bad the driver drop support for that. typical AMD.
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Old 29th March 2018, 04:25   #49925  |  Link
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If u mean by 1:1 fullscreen then yeah i always look at the pattern in fullscreen. It's quite funny cause this is the only mode i can't see any number on it. When i set Ycbcr either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 there is always visible one or both numbers depending on mode.
I do NOT mean full screen. You need to view that image without any scaling at all. 1:1 means each pixel in the image is displayed as one pixel on the display. You should only see one of the numbers at a time, if you see both it is either scaling or there is other processing that imperfectly blends neighboring pixels.
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Old 29th March 2018, 09:23   #49926  |  Link
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NUC 5th Gen mini pc, Windows 7 pro with service pack 1, all extra services are turned off in msconfig.exe, except windows core and audio, no network, no bluetooth and no wifi, pc only has MPC-BE x64 v1.5.1 stabled and MadVR v0.92.12 installed. pc connect directly to Samsung Full HD Plasma.

I do not know what is happening to MadVR, when I am watching home video on DVD, madVR is rescaling my PAL DVD to VideoCD resolution and it can not resize to fit my screen. The displayed video is always in VCD resolution, 352x240, even in fullscreen mode. I do not watch DVD that often. The last time I watched one was last year. MadVR is displaying my rmvb and x264 contents correctly but not for DVD. Any reason why it does this.
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Old 29th March 2018, 10:37   #49927  |  Link
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change it in the windows settings. it' pretty deep and in there to bad the driver drop support for that. typical AMD.
I'll have a look at that tonight, might be able to use DEVCON

SETRES h3840 v2160 b32 f23,976
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Old 29th March 2018, 10:38   #49928  |  Link
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can you make a screen of the OSD(control+j)?
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Old 29th March 2018, 11:57   #49929  |  Link
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Swap the 2160p50 for 2160p25. There are euro 25fps titles you may need to refresh rate match before 50fps titles and 25Hz will do 50Hz if needed. You definitely should keep 24p and 23p as that is what 99% of titles are.
Ok cool, im Europe (UK) based so i deff will add 25p then, and remove 50p if there is no need for it
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Old 29th March 2018, 12:50   #49930  |  Link
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Ok cool, im Europe (UK) based so i deff will add 25p then, and remove 50p if there is no need for it
I most definitely would do the opposite. I'm in Europe and I've always used 1080p50 and never, ever, 1080p25.

People use 1080p24 because there are no "easy" direct multiple refresh rates until 120Hz are reached. But for 25fps material, 50Hz is a boon.
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Old 29th March 2018, 14:21   #49931  |  Link
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I most definitely would do the opposite. I'm in Europe and I've always used 1080p50 and never, ever, 1080p25.

People use 1080p24 because there are no "easy" direct multiple refresh rates until 120Hz are reached. But for 25fps material, 50Hz is a boon.
Ok so i will leave it how i have now cheers
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Old 29th March 2018, 18:53   #49932  |  Link
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Hmmm? I have a 120Hz native display. I use 1080p24 because that is the original mastered rate and I always match rates or judder is introduced. But because I always upscale, that resolution means nothing. 2160p24 takes its place. What that has to do with the 2160p25 I suggested, I do not know? Planet Earth II was originally mastered at 25fps. My display offers that frame rate so I can match it. Without matching it, uncontrollable judder and frame drops were introduced. So, I added 2160p25 to madVR's list of display modes and the new matched rate produced perfection. Why others recommend this is wrong and not to match refresh rates and instead double the resolution and mismatch it, I don't know? Perhaps you use 50fps titles although I've never come across one. Maybe you could explain? I suppose 2160p50 would still work because it is an exact multiple of 2160p25 but what would be the point?
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Old 29th March 2018, 19:02   #49933  |  Link
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change it in the windows settings. it' pretty deep and in there to bad the driver drop support for that. typical AMD.
Hi, well I can confirm it also happens in MPDN so MADSHI was correct in stating this was not a MADVR issue, it must be DIRECT3D11

However, who do we know that MADVR and MPDN are correctly operating with DIRECT3D11, perhaps they just both have the same problem, its possible.

No idea where to go from here though, at least the workaround is easy to use, just turn off DIRECT3D11 for SDR material.
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Old 29th March 2018, 19:15   #49934  |  Link
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I suppose 2160p50 would still work because it is an exact multiple of 2160p25 but what would be the point?
Exactly because 25 fps fits into 50p without any troubles, and it avoids further difficulties when you hit interlaced material - like, for example, some of the older BBC documentaries like Frozen Planet, which after deinterlacing is 50 fps. So you are never left in an odd spot where the screen was switched to 25p because something didn't quite account for interlaced content (happens often with oddly flagged files), but madVR wants to output 50 fps to it.

At least on my TV motion looks absolutely fine running 25 fps on 50 Hz, and motion problems is the most obvious problem for me personally, I generally spot immediately if the screen refresh for some reason didn't change to the right one or anything like that.

So instead of trying to increase complexity by handling both 25p and 50p modes, why not simplify it by using one that works perfectly for both?
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Old 29th March 2018, 19:17   #49935  |  Link
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it's simple there is no spec for 25 FPS on blu ray or broadcast. edit: UBD has 25p support and internet videos doesn'T really care.
there are true 120, 144 and 240 hz screen (even 480 hz 480p test models). all of these will obviously run perfectly with a 24p source this played at 240 hz so this is not a mismatch and nones has recommand a mismatch here.

and there are native 60 hz screen that can display 24p properly so it's not that simple at least this part.

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D3D11 is broken in MPDN and madVR using an AMD card and are working fine with nvidia and your TV does "stuff" do i really have to say it?

one thing is very very unlikely and that it is madVR related.

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So instead of trying to increase complexity by handling both 25p and 50p modes, why not simplify it by using one that works perfectly for both?
That makes perfect sense. I didn't realize there were such things as 50p. Since there is, indeed this is the best universal option and I will reco and update accordingly.

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One reason to use 25p is for >8-bit support with a 4K screen... not very important in my option but it is a valid reason.
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I'll have a look at that tonight, might be able to use DEVCON

SETRES h3840 v2160 b32 f23,976
How do you use DEVCON ?
It's not a normal .exe called via Powershell ...
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Old 30th March 2018, 00:17   #49940  |  Link
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...devtest/devcon

its just an exe.

here is an example command, I used this to manually drop into 23,976.

SETRES h3840 v2160 b32 f23

I have my default desktop settings at 60hz programmed my on remote, is handy when you lose HDMI handshake or when KODI doesnt drop back to 2160p properly from 1080p which it does on occasion.
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