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I ran the source blu-ray movie playlist thru Clown-BD, with the forced subtitles option checked. It separated out the forced subtitles into its own subtitle selection (subtitle #1 now) and set it to be active. I ran that new BD set of files through BD-RB to compress down to a BD25 size, keeping subtitle #1 set to be active. That seems to have worked correctly. Clown-BD also processes this title correctly to DVD - the forced subtitles work correctly. Last edited by Rich86; 16th February 2013 at 00:18. |
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Yeah, I had a BD that had a significant amount of subs. I forget which one, but it was figured to be the reason, why a BD was oversized. Because it wasn't factoring in all the subs. It's fairly rare, but there are instances that merit concern regarding stupid amounts of subs LOL!
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Well, that's pretty unusual. I can't imagine how something as simple a a group of RLE compressed PGS streams could take up that much space. My guess is that one or more of the streams aren't really subtitles but hold graphics pictures that are presented during playback.
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its not that unusual, there is a lot of movies with 8 to 15 languages... so forced subs range from 1mb to 10mb each, regular subs range from 10mb to 50mb each and dir.comments subs range from 15mb to 60mb (and there are movies with 2 or 3 dir. commts) so if u do the math u could easily reach 1gb.
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Though rare, I have read that removing subtitles can be the cause of losing a desired forced sub. Since the english subs are the ones I care about most, will removing the non-english subs affect the possible forced english sub that may or may not be present? If so, does BD-RB use a small place holder sub for the ones removed to keep the original order of subs secure? Or is there a method currently used by BD-RB to insure removing a particular sub does not affect this example? |
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Then if all english subs are kept, and only non-english subs are removed, if there is a forced sub for english it will work as if all subs are kept, just like the original Blu-ray? |
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The exception would be if you have a player that has its default language set to something other than English. In that case, if you kept only English subtitles, the forced English subs would play only if they are in the first English subtitle stream (because it would replace the non-English subs). Last edited by jdobbs; 13th February 2013 at 23:49. |
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Did a movie-only backup of Gunslinger Girl S2 D2 which consists of 7 episodes. Audio sync on the output, a single .m2ts, was hugely out-of-sync. I had recently ran movie-only backups of other japanimation discs and they came out alright. Difference between Gunslinger Girl and the successful ones? Frame rate and scan type. GG is 29.97fps and MBAFF, while the others were 23.976fps and progressive.
I also ran a Full Backup of Penguin Drum disc 1 which is 29.97fps and MBAFF. The output is in sync so the combo of 29.97fps and MBAFF does not automatically mean out-of-sync results. Perhaps it's the movie-only backup, where BD-RB is asked to combine several m2ts files into a single m2ts? To test this, I ran a Full Backup of Gunslinger Girl S2D2, then compared the specs of original and back-up episode 1. Original GG S2D2 episode 1 Video Duration: 25mn 8s 40ms Frame rate: 29.970 fps Frame count: 45196 Scan type: MBAFF Interlacement: MBAFF Delay: 4199000.000 Delay: 1h 9mn 59s 0ms Audio Duration: 25mn 10s 42ms Delay: 4199000.000 Delay: 1h 9mn 59s 0ms 0.42.08 Full Backup, High Speed Option, One-pass CRF: episode 1 Video Duration: 25mn 9s 977ms Frame rate: 29.970 fps Frame count: 45254 Scan type: Progressive Interlacement: PPF Delay: 600000.000 Delay: 10mn 0s 0ms Audio Duration: 25mn 10s 42ms Delay: 600000.000 Delay: 10mn 0s 0ms Delay, origin: Container Note how durations and delays differ between the original and the backup. I then compared stream specs of the original and the backup of Penguin Drum episode 1. Original video duration: 23mn 42s 421ms Backup video duration: 23mn 42s 421ms Original video delay: 600000.000 Backup video delay: 600000.000 Original audio duration: 23mn 42s 997ms Backup audio duration: 23mn 43s 8ms Original audio delay: 600000.000 Backup audio delay: 600000.000 >>> So, the backup is in sync when the original uses a delay of 600000.000. When the delay is something else, BD-RB (or a tool it uses) replaces the value with 600000.000 and the output is out-of-sync. I'm trying to figure out is this applies to 29.97/MBAFF sources only. I noticed a post earlier about a bug that had to do with audio delays in multipart sources. This is obviously related to that. Last edited by colinhunt; 15th February 2013 at 17:10. |
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Is it a multipart source? If not, I don't see the connection to the earlier bug.
Why is it so hard to post the log for a job so I have something to work with???? I can't keep shooting in the dark to try and find solutions to bug reports. Last edited by jdobbs; 15th February 2013 at 19:31. |
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[02.15.13] BD Rebuilder v0.42.08 (beta) [14:18:44] Source: GUNSLINGER_GIRL_S2_D2 - Input BD size: 37,33 GB - Approximate total content: [03:13:20.822] - Target BD size: 22,85 GB - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601] - Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25), CRF - X264 Tweak(s) enabled - Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640 [14:18:45] PHASE ONE, Encoding - [14:18:45] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 12) - [14:18:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001] - [14:20:14] Reencoding video [VID_00001] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 192 frames - Bitrate: 10*324 Kbs - [14:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2 - [14:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2 - [14:20:19] Video Encode complete - [14:20:19] Processing audio tracks - [14:20:19] Multiplexing M2TS - [14:20:27] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 12) - [14:20:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002] - [14:21:58] Reencoding video [VID_00002] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 336 frames - [14:21:58] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 20,29 35,14 24,93 23,24 [23,06] - [14:22:10] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [14:22:18] Video Encode complete - [14:22:18] Processing audio tracks - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio - [14:22:18] Multiplexing M2TS - [14:22:22] Processing: VID_00005 (3 of 12) - [14:22:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005] - [14:24:13] Reencoding video [VID_00005] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 806 frames - [14:24:13] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 22,69 16,34 20,51 20,08 [20,06] - [14:24:23] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [14:24:41] Video Encode complete - [14:24:41] Processing audio tracks - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio - [14:24:41] Multiplexing M2TS - [14:24:45] Processing: VID_00101 (4 of 12) - [14:24:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00101] - [14:31:00] Reencoding video [VID_00101] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*196 frames - [14:31:00] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,78 16,89 13,45 14,77 [14,62] - [14:32:08] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [14:46:47] Video Encode complete - [14:46:47] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [14:46:47] Multiplexing M2TS - [14:47:44] Processing: VID_00102 (5 of 12) - [14:47:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00102] - [14:52:51] Reencoding video [VID_00102] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*196 frames - [14:52:51] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,35 16,68 13,34 15,20 [15,02] - [14:54:02] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [15:08:44] Video Encode complete - [15:08:44] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [15:08:44] Multiplexing M2TS - [15:09:34] Processing: VID_00103 (6 of 12) - [15:09:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00103] - [15:20:14] Reencoding video [VID_00103] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*226 frames - [15:20:14] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,37 16,69 13,34 14,80 14,51 [14,49] - [15:21:24] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [15:35:09] Video Encode complete - [15:35:09] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [15:35:09] Multiplexing M2TS - [15:36:07] Processing: VID_00104 (7 of 12) - [15:36:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00104] - [15:41:24] Reencoding video [VID_00104] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*251 frames - [15:41:24] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,41 16,70 13,35 14,84 14,67 [14,66] - [15:42:48] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [15:57:34] Video Encode complete - [15:57:34] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [15:57:34] Multiplexing M2TS - [15:58:32] Processing: VID_00105 (8 of 12) - [15:58:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105] - [16:04:01] Reencoding video [VID_00105] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 45*284 frames - [16:04:01] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,85 16,93 13,46 14,80 [14,62] - [16:05:05] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [16:19:55] Video Encode complete - [16:19:55] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [16:19:55] Multiplexing M2TS - [16:20:55] Processing: VID_00106 (9 of 12) - [16:20:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00106] - [16:26:00] Reencoding video [VID_00106] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 43*038 frames - [16:26:00] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,39 16,70 13,35 15,31 [15,10] - [16:27:06] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [16:40:58] Video Encode complete - [16:40:58] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [16:40:58] Multiplexing M2TS - [16:41:44] Processing: VID_00107 (10 of 12) - [16:41:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00107] - [16:46:48] Reencoding video [VID_00107] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 43*037 frames - [16:46:48] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 23,44 16,72 13,36 14,81 14,57 [14,57] - [16:48:06] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [17:02:00] Video Encode complete - [17:02:00] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [17:02:00] Multiplexing M2TS - [17:03:02] Processing: VID_00110 (11 of 12) - [17:03:02] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00110] - [17:04:08] Reencoding video [VID_00110] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 300 frames - [17:04:08] Performing CRF Prediction... - Analyzing 25,00 37,50 30,90 29,83 [29,85] - [17:04:18] Encoding using constant rate factor. - [17:04:23] Video Encode complete - [17:04:23] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [17:04:23] Multiplexing M2TS - [17:04:27] Processing: VID_00111 (12 of 12) - [17:04:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00111] - [17:04:31] Reencoding video [VID_00111] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 29,970fps, 15 frames - Bitrate: 2*350 Kbs - [17:04:31] Reencoding: VID_00111, Pass 1 of 2 - [17:04:32] Reencoding: VID_00111, Pass 2 of 2 - [17:04:33] Video Encode complete - [17:04:33] Processing audio tracks - Track 4353 (jpn): Keeping original audio - [17:04:33] Multiplexing M2TS [17:04:36]PHASE ONE complete [17:04:36]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started - [17:04:36] Rebuilding BD file Structure [17:07:29] - Encode and Rebuild complete [17:07:29] JOB: GUNSLINGER_GIRL_S2_D2 finished. 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Oh, poo. Looks like the delays reported by Mediainfo have nothing to do with the audio being out-of-sync. I just finished a Full Backup of a 23.976/Progressive japanimation disc (Panty and Stocking Disc 2, if someone wants to give it a shot) with a video and audio delay of 11650.667. Mediainfo lists output's video and audio delay as 600000.000 - but there's nothing wrong with output's audio sync.
D'oh! Back to square one, then. Last edited by colinhunt; 15th February 2013 at 21:26. |
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"-- tune animation", nothing else.
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Something interesting: I played the Full Backup to check whether the error stays the same throughout a single episode or not (it doesn't) and noticed that English subtitles are perfectly in sync with the audio all the way. Additionally, while audio is late by a ~second at the beginning of an episode, it's suddenly almost a minute early at the 5 minute mark. And at the end of a randomly picked episode, the image runs out (ending credits followed by a black screen) at 20:25 while the audio plays on to 23:31 (perhaps even longer, but PowerDVD stops at 23:31). So far, I've done a Full Backup using these settings, but all have the same sync issue: #1: DGDecNV, OpenGOPs on, DEINT on, IVTC on, Keep HD Audio on #2: LAVF, OpenGOPs on, DEINT on, IVTC on, Keep HD Audio on #3: LAVF, OpenGOPs on, DEINT off, IVTC off, Keep HD Audio off And here's what BD-RB shows me in the Stream window when Full Backup is selected: VID_00001, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 18,01MB VID_00002, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 37,03MB VID_00005, AVC, 1080p, 23.976fps, 51,52MB VID_00101*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 428,38MB VID_00102*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 045,31MB VID_00103*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 031,77MB VID_00104*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 108,66MB VID_00105*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 5 567,12MB - Audio --- AUD_001 TRUE_HD, Multi-Ch, English --- AUD_002 TRUE_HD, Multi-Ch, Japanese - Subtitles --- PGS_001, English --- PGS_002, English VID_00106*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 4 854,46MB VID_00107*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 4 906,42MB VID_00110*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 11,57MB VID_00111*, AVC, 1080i, 29.97fps, 0,68MB I disable English audio as the title is Japanimation and I don't fancy English dubbing. Dropped a single .m2ts from the original into MPC-HC, VLC and PotPlayer. MPC reports a framerate of 24.08, VLC claims 59.94 and PotPlayer's Play Information reads "Std FPS: 29.97 Current FPS: 24.27 -> 23.97". Same m2ts from the backup: MPC-HC says 29.81fps, VLC 59.94fps and PotPlayer "Std FPS: 29.97 Current FPS: 30.10 -> 59.94". Last edited by colinhunt; 16th February 2013 at 16:21. |
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Something is going wrong with DVD-5 output when including subtitles. It can't integrate the subtitles and the rebuild fails as a result. ---------------------- [02/16/13] BD Rebuilder v0.42.08 (beta) [08:31:50] Source: HIT_RUN_NA_00800 - Input BD size: 26.46 GB - Approximate total content: [01:40:20.014] - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601] - MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled - Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640 - Audio [1] set to default. [08:31:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding - [08:31:50] Processing: VID_00023 (1 of 1) - [08:31:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00023] - [08:38:49] Reencoding video [VID_00023] - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080 - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 144,336 frames - Bitrate: 5,550 Kbs - [08:38:49] Reencoding: VID_00023 - [09:44:19] Video Encode complete - [09:44:19] Processing audio tracks - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3... [09:47:57]PHASE ONE complete [09:47:57]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started - [09:47:57] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure - [09:47:57] Converting 1 subtitles to DVD format. - [09:49:03] Starting MPLEX. - [09:52:14] Multiplexing 1 subtitles into stream. - WARNING: Failed to integrate Subtitle_01 - [09:52:19] Building DVD File Structure. - ERROR in attempt to create DVD structure (DVDAUTHOR) [09:52:20] - Failed to REBUILD Maybe I am doing something wrong - any suggestions are welcome. Update: I had reinstalled everything. "inspect" was happy. I also ran this BD title through MultiAVChd to DVD-5 output - it handled the subtitles fine. Last edited by Rich86; 16th February 2013 at 23:02. |
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