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Old 8th December 2017, 13:17   #47601  |  Link
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It works just fine on NVIDIA without FSE.
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Old 8th December 2017, 13:37   #47602  |  Link
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Agreed
is FSE just required for AMD cards then?, they deal with MVC frame packed 3D differently.
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Old 8th December 2017, 13:40   #47603  |  Link
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Have you tried to set video frames from 8 to 4?

in rendering->exclusive mode->

Also try to set GPU queue size from 8 to 4 and see if it changes things

in rendering->general settings->

This has fixed FSE issues with some here in this forum. I will try it soon and see if it helps.

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Old 8th December 2017, 13:41   #47604  |  Link
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Have you tried to set video frames from 8 to 4?

in rendring->exclusive mode->

This has fixed FSE issues with some here in this forum. I will try it soon and see if it helped.
i'll try that but if we dont need FSE why use it, people are telling me its not required for MVC playback but I cant get it without FSE turned on, something odd going on here.
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Old 8th December 2017, 13:47   #47605  |  Link
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True. I have moved from FSE to fullscreen windowed this week and it works fine. I am not using 3D. Anyway I will lower the buffers and see what happens.

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Old 8th December 2017, 14:18   #47606  |  Link
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True. I have moved from FSE to fullscreen windowed this week and it works fine. I am not using 3D. Anyway I will lower the buffers and see what happens.
are you saying MVC 3D works fine or just general playback?

Are you sure its not converting it to SBS, if your projector is automatically sensing 3D SBS it might switch to that mode and you'd never know.

best way to check is turn 3D off on the projector while its playing, if you see two images its SBS.
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Old 8th December 2017, 15:55   #47607  |  Link
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reclock is buggy as hell with creators version of windows 10. I dropped it completely.
Only when using FSE mode, Windowed is fine. It's all the fault of Microsoft's "full screen optimisation" changes, really.

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sorry i misread, thanks for your help. Any idea why i'm having to use 23p display mode instead of 24p? which i've used with AMD card for over 10 years
'23 Hz' is supposed to be 23,976 and '24 Hz' 24,000; but if the display is HDMI and uses standard TV modes, Windows normally applies 23,976 even if you select 24 Hz (for compatibility: no correctly authored consumer content is supposed to be 24,000 Hz).
Did you maybe enable some trick to force real 24,000 Hz to the display, or are you playing a 24,000 fps movie?
A frame repeat every 40 seconds is the typical symptom of playing 23,976 material at 24,000 Hz, and a drop every 40 seconds when playing 24,000 (i.e. badly mastered) material at 23,976 Hz.
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Old 8th December 2017, 15:56   #47608  |  Link
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Evening, in the section i posted the screenshot below, i always used NGU Sharp with luma doubling setted to high. All the rest let madvr decide.

Yesterday i saw a youtube video where the user suggested to use these settings, what do you think? I'm not expert so i'm testing:

https://postimg.org/image/nis3mwkjv/

Another question, if i use Ctrl J during video, i can see that my monitor frequency is 59,9 or something similar. Never 60. Is this right this way?
At the moment i turned back my settings, only ngu sharp with doubling on high. It looks better this way. But so why that video suggests the configuration i posted? I want to learn, what's the use of those settings?
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Old 8th December 2017, 16:01   #47609  |  Link
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Only when using FSE mode, Windowed is fine. It's all the fault of Microsoft's "full screen optimisation" changes, really.

'23 Hz' is supposed to be 23,976 and '24 Hz' 24,000; but if the display is HDMI and uses standard TV modes, Windows normally applies 23,976 even if you select 24 Hz (for compatibility: no correctly authored consumer content is supposed to be 24,000 Hz).
Did you maybe enable some trick to force real 24,000 Hz to the display, or are you playing a 24,000 fps movie?
A frame repeat every 40 seconds is the typical symptom of playing 23,976 material at 24,000 Hz, and a drop every 40 seconds when playing 24,000 (i.e. badly mastered) material at 23,976 Hz.
no seriously, i've always had my display modes set to 24p and had no issues until recently, I wasnt using reclock either.

What are your thoughts on FSE and 3D MVC, people are stating quite categorically 3D MVC should work without FSE but in the years i've been using this i've never had it work without FSE ticked.
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no correctly authored consumer content is supposed to be 24,000 Hz).
Both 23.976fps and 24fps are legitimate frame rates according to the blu ray standards
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Old 8th December 2017, 16:43   #47611  |  Link
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are you saying MVC 3D works fine or just general playback?

Are you sure its not converting it to SBS, if your projector is automatically sensing 3D SBS it might switch to that mode and you'd never know.

best way to check is turn 3D off on the projector while its playing, if you see two images its SBS.
I am not using 3D.
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any other AMD card users with a 3D TV that can play 3D MVC frame packed rips?
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maybe give people the chance to test it on a weekend?
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Old 8th December 2017, 17:43   #47614  |  Link
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yeah no rush, I can use my system in the meantime, just not KODI as i'm getting black screen on every stop, got a few things to try though tonight regarding this. just thought someone would actually know this for sure without having to test it, its also on by default in MADVR.
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If that is useful to anyone, I've tried the new driver 388.59 and the bug I had with the 'offset' in brightness levels (clipped whites + washed out blacks) in RGB Full on drivers 384-385 with my 1050 Ti is now fixed. I never got an official acknowledgement from NVIDIA when I reported, so I wonder if maybe they took note of it but filed it 'fix later'. Lesson learned: if you've got a 'limited issue' bug, just report then wait for the next major driver branch instead of hoping they will fix it in the current one.
(Edit: it's also a testimony to how difficult Windows 10 is to support, with at least 3 different versions for hardware vendors to test for concurrently, plus Win7 and Win8.1)

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Both 23.976fps and 24fps are legitimate frame rates according to the blu ray standards
But is it a good idea to use it? I feel like 23,976 is the more compatible option of the two, I don't get why studios would want to use 24.
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Will a GTX1060 be enough for upscaling a 720p, 50 or 60 fps, video to 4K with the best settings?
Or should I go for the 1070, just to be sure?

The price difference where I live between this two is HUGE!
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is FSE just required for AMD cards then?, they deal with MVC frame packed 3D differently.
Maybe i can't or can confirm it like i'm Nvidia owner but for sure no more FSE on my and MediaPortal :P and 3D MVC is working
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But is it a good idea to use it? I feel like 23,976 is the more compatible option of the two, I don't get why studios would want to use 24.
why not there is a reason a PC supports 23p and 24p.
it is very likely that movies are still created in 24p for cinema and just transfers to 23p.
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why not there is a reason a PC supports 23p and 24p.
My bad, you're right. I just tested and true 24/60 works. Is the 'hack Direct3D to make 24/60 work' in madVR only needed for FSE mode?

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it is very likely that movies are still created in 24p for cinema and just transfers to 23p.
Yes I was only thinking about consumer media transfers.
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My bad, you're right. I just tested and true 24/60 works. Is the 'hack Direct3D to make 24/60 work' in madVR only needed for FSE mode?
i don't know anymore.
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