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Old 24th February 2017, 21:48   #42721  |  Link
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....and I can't do anything about that.Right?Thanks for the info.
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Old 25th February 2017, 06:09   #42722  |  Link
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Some pictures to check algo's anti-aliasing possibilities: G1610 (groundtruth, maybe), Mario Party (taken here).
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Old 25th February 2017, 09:31   #42723  |  Link
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anyone know what the latest AMD driver that works with madVR is? (im using a r9 290)
13.12 should be the fastest if running W7/W8 on a r9 2x0 or older, BTW I'll be upgrading to W8.1 very soon(I want 10bit support and have to run x64 so I can go 2160p60 down the road) so I guess I can stick to 13.12 with my 7850? No option to output 10bit in Windows with those though but mVR doesn't care apparently and will force it anyway?
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Old 25th February 2017, 09:42   #42724  |  Link
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Madshi, if you would consider keeping the low level configuration of current NGU series, I'd be appreciated?

With my newly bought gig XPS 15 9560, which only has a 1050 card, and can barely handle 720p -> 1080p @ 24fps fluently with medium level, so keeping the low level is quite important to me, especially when the SuperXBR is to be replaces.

It would be great if you can do the magic to improve the quality of the low level a little bit.

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Old 25th February 2017, 11:03   #42725  |  Link
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13.12 should be the fastest if running W7/W8 on a r9 2x0 or older, BTW I'll be upgrading to W8.1 very soon(I want 10bit support and have to run x64 so I can go 2160p60 down the road) so I guess I can stick to 13.12 with my 7850? No option to output 10bit in Windows with those though but mVR doesn't care apparently and will force it anyway?
the 13.12 driver doesn't support proper settings for high bit deep.
this has nothing to do with windows 7 or 8+.
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Old 25th February 2017, 11:17   #42726  |  Link
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13.12 should be the fastest if running W7/W8 on a r9 2x0 or older, BTW I'll be upgrading to W8.1 very soon(I want 10bit support and have to run x64 so I can go 2160p60 down the road) so I guess I can stick to 13.12 with my 7850? No option to output 10bit in Windows with those though but mVR doesn't care apparently and will force it anyway?
I think some user here with rx 460 and W8.1 didn't have 10bit support.Why don't you go to win10 straight away?It's better.
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Old 25th February 2017, 15:14   #42727  |  Link
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the 13.12 driver doesn't support proper settings for high bit depth.
this has nothing to do with windows 7 or 8+.
so for mVR to output 10bit Windows must also be set to 10bit? This might indeed be a problem as 13.12 don't provide a bit depth option, I thought 13.12 would allow mVR to force 10bit provided that the OS supports it.

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I think some user here with rx 460 and W8.1 didn't have 10bit support.Why don't you go to win10 straight away?It's better.
madshi advises sticking to W8.1 but W7SP1 works like a charm for me tbh, too bad I can't get 10bit to work due to a bs Windows update that refuses to install.....but 8.1 comes with native UASP USB3 so that's also great coz USB3 is quite a crap shot on W7 and again AMD have given up on x86 drivers so even though Reclock is still stuck in x86-land I got no choice than to go x64 if I wanna be able to output 2160p60 with an AMD 4x0 later on.

And FWIR UHD rules coz it's 3x720p, IIRC mVR has 3X optimisations?

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Old 25th February 2017, 16:27   #42728  |  Link
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I guess win10 will make you more future proof but you know your needs best.You can ask nussman user here for W8.1 and 10bit with the amd rx 460 he has.

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Old 25th February 2017, 17:58   #42729  |  Link
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And FWIR UHD rules coz it's 3x720p, IIRC mVR has 3X optimisations?
Madshi was going to look into a 3x version of NGU but it turned out that it would be the same speed as 4x NGU so it was never implemented. I would still like to see it for exactly that; 720p to 4K upscaling.
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Old 25th February 2017, 21:56   #42730  |  Link
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so for mVR to output 10bit Windows must also be set to 10bit? This might indeed be a problem as 13.12 don't provide a bit depth option, I thought 13.12 would allow mVR to force 10bit provided that the OS supports it.
windows doesn't have a 10 bit option.
and yes you can send 10 bit to the GPU driver you simply have no control over what it is doing with it.

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Old 25th February 2017, 22:12   #42731  |  Link
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Is there any way to check that 10bit got enabled apart from mVR's OSD? Test patterns maybe? That's what this guy does:
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can display a 10 bit gradient smoothly, which is the same as the other Samsung TVs released this year. Some minor issues can be seen in the darker shades, mostly in the green, but this should not be visible while watching normal content.
AMD 4x0's support HDMI 2.0b so I don't see why 2160p60 would be an issue, eventually my goal is to go 3x720p@60Hz with FRC
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Old 25th February 2017, 22:23   #42732  |  Link
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yes and this TV is 8 bit. what every they do they don't judge the native bit deep of the screen they judge the dithering and if i'm not mistaken without AFRC because the screen doesn't have it.
every TV supports 12 bit input that's totally normal.

some TV tell you the input type most didn't. just use a newer driver you have to do that with an RX 4x0 card anyway.

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AMD 4x0's support HDMI 2.0b so I don't see why 2160p60 would be an issue, eventually my goal is to go 3x720p@60Hz with FRC
well because that's the reason i don't have a RX 480 anymore. no picture no fun. so good luck not everyone is affected.
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Old 26th February 2017, 01:04   #42733  |  Link
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madshi advises sticking to W8.1
Nah, he just says 8.1 works well, but then so does 10. You can easily configure things if you have problems you have with how 10 does things.
Seems rather weird to embrace software development on one hand and completely ignore it with the other. 10 has been near enough to perfect for me on my HTPC, no way I'd buy 8.1 for a new build.

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Old 26th February 2017, 07:35   #42734  |  Link
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Hey @madshi. I would like to request that you restore the ability to do nearest-neighbor upscaling. It seems to have been removed in recent versions.

I have an actual use case for this, and am sticking with an older version as a result. Although nearest-neighbor is not generally a desirable algorithm for most realistic images, it can be desirable when displaying media containing pixel artwork. It is also quite useful as a means to demonstrate to people the differences between different interpolation kernels on real media, something I have occasion to do in an educational capacity.

My suspicion is that was removed because you imagine that nobody uses it and you could save real estate. I can testify that I use it regularly (though not for photographic content). Perhaps you could combine nearest-neighbor and bilinear upscaling under a shared radio button and name it something like "Simple," much as you folded C-R and M-N under the "Cubic" banner. (Another idea would be to combine NN, bilinear and DXVA2 under a "Native" or "GPU" grouping.)

Thank you for all your hard work on publishing madVR for free: it is a fantastic offering. I know you can't fulfill the requests of everybody, but I hope you will at least consider restoring this functionality. It would brighten my day.

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Old 26th February 2017, 10:09   #42735  |  Link
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Is there any way to check that 10bit got enabled apart from mVR's OSD? Test patterns maybe? That's what this guy does:

AMD 4x0's support HDMI 2.0b so I don't see why 2160p60 would be an issue, eventually my goal is to go 3x720p@60Hz with FRC
This is why I bought an AMD RX 480. It's working great without FRC and without tuning. Drivers have improved. But this is also thanks to the performance improvements of NGU over NNEDI3.
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Old 26th February 2017, 11:39   #42736  |  Link
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I have a couple of problems since buying a 4K TV.

1. If I put in the display capability options '2160p23, 1080p23' while set to 2160p resolution it upscales 1080 to 2160. If I set the resolution before playback to 1080 it downscales 2160p to 1080p. This only appears to occur on x264 reencodes. If I playback the original H.264 blurays in a remux, it switches correctly between the two at any given fps. I do not wish for 1080 x264 encodes to upscale to 2160 as I lose some motion options on the TV (It's complicated to explain here but I have my reasons).

2. If Windows 10 scaling slider is used at 2160 then 1080p plays with a large portion of the video cut off (zoomed in on the top left hand corner). If I set the output in Windows to 1080 and play a 4K clip with scaling on then the video shrinks into the top left corner of the display. This only happens for blurays that switch to 1080 or 2160 and not the x264 encodes which upscale/downscale depending on the initial resolution set in Windows.

I am using DX11 FSE on a AMD Radeon RX480 with latest drivers outputting 4:4:4 full RGB 12bit at 60Hz when at 1080.

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Old 26th February 2017, 11:54   #42737  |  Link
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Madshi suggests to keep native resolution when using display modes.
For keeping resolution no matter what you play you do 3840x2160p23, 3840x2160p25 ....and on
For changing resolution you do 1080p23, 2160p23....and on


For 2. you mean it overscans?Check if your TV has fit to screen option and set it to ON.It removes any scaling from TVs part.

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Old 26th February 2017, 12:10   #42738  |  Link
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Madshi suggests to keep native resolution when using display modes.
For keeping resolution no matter what you play you do 3840x2160p23, 3840x2160p25 ....and on
For changing resolution you do 1080p23, 2160p23....and on


For 2. you mean it overscans?Check if your TV has fit to screen option and set it to ON.It removes any scaling from TVs part.

No overscan is off on the TV. This is zooming the video or shrinking the video depending on what the inititial resolution in Windows is set to. Scaling affects video playback when switching between resolutions at playback.

I have just found it sometimes does it on x264 encodes too. Some 1080 encodes get scaled to 2160 and some switch to 1080 and get zoomed with Windows scaling enabled (currently at 250%).

I shall post state from one that switches and one that gets upscaled.

This one switches to 1080 correctly (with the scaling zoom problem)

Code:
Format                         : Matroska
Format version                 : Version 4 / Version 2
Overall bit rate               : 5 282 kb/s
Writing application            : mkvmerge v8.3.0 ('Over the Horizon') 64bit
Writing library                : libebml v1.3.1 + libmatroska v1.4.2

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L4
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames      : 4 frames
Codec ID                       : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Bit rate                       : 4 792 kb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Variable
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Language                       : English
Default                        : Yes
Forced                         : No
Color range                    : Limited
Color primaries                : BT.709
Transfer characteristics       : BT.709
Matrix coefficients            : BT.709
This one gets upscaled instead to 2160p (no scaling zoom issues).

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General
Format                         : Matroska
Format version                 : Version 4 / Version 2
Overall bit rate               : 7 298 kb/s
Writing application            : mkvmerge v8.3.0 ('Over the Horizon') 64bit
Writing library                : libebml v1.3.1 + libmatroska v1.4.2

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames      : 5 frames
Codec ID                       : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                       : 1 h 47 min
Bit rate                       : 5 787 kb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 808 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 23.976 FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.156
Stream size                    : 4.33 GiB (79%)
Writing library                : x264 core 148 r2744 b97ae06
Encoding settings              : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=5787 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                       : English
Default                        : Yes
Forced                         : No
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Old 26th February 2017, 12:19   #42739  |  Link
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I had a doubt for upscalare 1080p to 4K with madVR need to set your video card to 3840x2160 and 2160p madVR use the modes list etc.?
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Old 26th February 2017, 12:21   #42740  |  Link
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@oddball

I don't know.

1.Check TVs resolution with the info button to see if the resolution is correct.

2.Disable scaling from gpu.

3.Check underscan/overscan in amd radeon settings.The default behavior is 0% though from now on.


@Mistery 73

Not sure if I get you.
You set resolution to 3840x2160 in video card and for display modes if you wanna use them for everything you do 3840x2160px

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