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Old 31st August 2017, 21:13   #45281  |  Link
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I have turned error diffusion 1 for dithering, not sure if I see the difference between ordered dithering and error diffusion. Monitor is 8 bit.
If 8 bit gradients look normal on your display, consider error diffusion a pure waste of performance.
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Old 31st August 2017, 21:17   #45282  |  Link
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If 8 bit gradients look normal on your display, consider error diffusion a pure waste of performance.
Any images to test?
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Old 31st August 2017, 21:20   #45283  |  Link
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Old 31st August 2017, 21:21   #45284  |  Link
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I have to test it trough mpc-be? To see if madvr is showing banding?

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Old 31st August 2017, 22:03   #45285  |  Link
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yes otherwise you're just testing Windows/your picture viewer

Edit: also, for the particular file that huhn posted, enable RGB48 output in LAV Video, or else you'll be testing LAV's dithering too.
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Old 31st August 2017, 22:14   #45286  |  Link
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yes otherwise you're just testing Windows/your picture viewer
Thanks for the info, no banding with ordered and error diffusion, so I guess will push from low to medium, and leave ordered dithering.
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I am giving custom timings a try but it's not working with 59hz. I tried all the optimizations but it won't let me apply after testing. Says "gpu rejected this mode for unknown reasons".

23hz optimized timings works fine. Unfortunately I'm getting a frame drop every ~25 minutes on the default settings for 59hz.

Using GTX 960 and a Samsung plasma.

Any ideas?
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Old 1st September 2017, 00:37   #45288  |  Link
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I cant play 3D MVC properly when windows in on 4k Resolution. The output seems be so stretched and only shows the magnified upper left part of the video. Any suggestions?
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Old 1st September 2017, 01:25   #45289  |  Link
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§d is not part of the UHD spec try it at 1080p.
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§d is not part of the UHD spec try it at 1080p.
it does work on 1080p. but my native resolution is 4k, it's a pain in the ass to keep resetting the resolution when watching 3D Movies
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Old 1st September 2017, 02:51   #45291  |  Link
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it does work on 1080p. but my native resolution is 4k, it's a pain in the ass to keep resetting the resolution when watching 3D Movies
madVR has an automatic resolution switching feature.
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madVR has an automatic resolution switching feature.
Ummmm... im an idiot, how do I enable this?

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Old 1st September 2017, 06:47   #45293  |  Link
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Ummmm... im an idiot, how do I enable this?

Settings -> Devices -> [your device] -> display modes.
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Old 1st September 2017, 19:07   #45294  |  Link
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Sorry to disturbing again. Just noticed.
MPC-HC
PIN INFO
PIN:OUT VIDEO
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VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1920,1080)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1920,1080)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 400000

MPC-BE
PIN INFO
PIN:OUT VIDEO
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VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,148)-(1920,932)
rcTarget: (0,148)-(1920,932)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 400000 (25.000 fps)

So EVR custom preset in MPC-HC crop is ignored, but in MPC-BE is propertly displayed. But MadVR in MPC-BE has same issue as in Potplayer. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...56#post1816256
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Old 2nd September 2017, 03:25   #45295  |  Link
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I am not sure which timings are best when it comes to optimization...

A. Current/measured timings Compat. is 100 with 1 frame repeat every 12.35 minutes
B. Same pixel clock #1 Compat. is 60, with 1 frame repeat every 3.90 hours
C. Optimized pixel clock #1 Compat. is 80 with no frame drops/repeats

Only Current, Measured, and EDID/CTA are in the green...

What does Compatibility mean when it come to refresh rates and resolutions?

P.S. Please move to madVR Options Explained thread if that is where I should've asked...
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Does this happen every time? Does it happen only if you're on the display modes or custom modes tab, or only if you're not on either of those 2 tabs, or regardless of which tabs you're on?
Every time I closed madVR settings window to change the refresh through display adapter properties in OS control panel and then accessed madVR settings again. It happened regardless of which tabs I was on. But, this seems to be fixed in v0.92.2.

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Did you update the madVR version used in JRiver MC?
Yes. After updating to v0.92.2, the problem has been solved.

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Just give it a try. The GUI will guide you through it.
Oops, I didn’t realize that if I don’t click on any of the custom modes preset and then click on “add”, I could add custom modes for any refresh rate. Now it all works like a charm.

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In which way is it more stable? You've not installed Creator's Update yet?
In Fullscreen Windowed mode, I often get random dropped frames in the middle of a movie, which come as sudden jerkiness in the video and after that video plays normally. This does not happen in Fullscreen Exclusive mode.

I am using Windows 10 Enterprise, and Windows Update brings all kinds of updates except for the upgrade to Creator's Update (not sure why). Also, I haven’t bothered to do a fresh install for upgrading to the Creator's Update. I will probably do that now.
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Recently switched to Windows 10 from 7 (clean install). Having a couple issues now. Overlay mode doesn't work too well now (GTX 950), it drops frames at random points for seemingly no reason, like 6-7 at a time. Perhaps every 10 minutes or so. Overlay mode worked flawlessly with Windows 7.
Ok so seems refresh rate is the cause. 60hz=no dropped frames/glitches. 59.94hz=random dropped frames/glitches. I'm using smooth motion. No biggie to use 60hz but wonder why 59.94 causing issues with overlay mode.

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Old 2nd September 2017, 17:34   #45298  |  Link
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Ok so seems refresh rate is the cause. 60hz=no dropped frames/glitches. 59.94hz=random dropped frames/glitches. I'm using smooth motion. No biggie to use 60hz but wonder why 59.94 causing issues with overlay mode.

Did you enable the Madvr Direct3D 60 Hack ?






Windows 10 x64 1703
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Do we still need to use Present a frame for every VSync ? what is it useful for on what cases ?


For real movies , movie theatre and such, Should I use Ordered Diffusion , Error Diffusion 1 or 2 ? cause many people suggest Ordered , but Error 2 for Anime .

When should I enable Use Colored noise and Change dither for every Frame ?

I tried to search and many people suggest many things, but I can't really notice, for myself, I know the right test will show the perfect setting. but I know you guys know more than me on this, if anyone could give some more info or tests he did.

I did a test with bit depth 1 and changing them settings , but I just see dots on other areas and I can't understand what it means.

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Disable ‘use a separate device for presentation (Vista and newer)’ option. Enable this though if you want to use the ‘smooth motion frame rate conversion’ feature below.
Disable ‘use a separate device for DXVA processing (Vista and newer)’ option.

Is this still correct ? do we need to disable it for only AMD cards and leave it for nvidia ? because I don't use Smooth motion frame rate conversion, would I need it for anything else ?


Madshi , could you add any notification on CTRL + J that the smooth motion is working ? like when we disable "use a separate device for presentation" we should know if it is really needed, I find it hard to see if it's really working or not. with the setting enable or not. because with the setting disable and smooth motion enabled there is higher number on the rendering from 15 ms to 20-25 ms, so it seems it does it things with the numbers.

Thanks

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is Windows 8.1 as of now still more recommendable than windows 10 for 4k playback with madVR?
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is Windows 8.1 as of now still more recommendable than windows 10 for 4k playback with madVR?
I don't think windows 8.1 is even recommended for anything. windows 10 has all the priority for HDR and other new things to come with the new update soon, also nvidia updates everything to support windows 10 new features. everyone should update from 8.1 to 10. windows 7 is other things , it's still good for other things if people need it to without all the newest things.
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