Is there a way to import AVS files into Avid Media Composer 8.0?

Katie Boundary · 16th June 2022, 12:50

If not, is there another version of Avid that can import, or be made to import, AVS files?

Frank62 · 16th June 2022, 15:00

See here
https://www.videohelp.com/software/A...al-File-System
and/or google for PISMO.

Sharc · 16th June 2022, 16:04

^^^^
This, but use the AVFS.exe which is included in the portable Vapoursynth package. It accepts more colorspaces.

Frank62 · 16th June 2022, 19:53

Nice hint, thank you!

kolak · 16th June 2022, 21:38

Use v210 as output format as this is most likely to work in AVID.
If AVID doesn't read v210 avi then open it in QT 7 Pro on Windows and create reference MOV. This should import to AVID.

FranceBB · 16th June 2022, 22:43

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Originally Posted by kolak

Use v210 as output format as this is most likely to work in AVID.
If AVID doesn't read v210 avi then open it in QT 7 Pro on Windows and create reference MOV. This should import to AVID.

AVID Media Composer 2018 didn't read v210 4:2:2 lossless in .avi as it was allowing me to link it but the decoded clip was completely green.
I'm not sure about remuxing in .mov and I also have no idea whether anything changed in the meantime given that years passed and new versions have been released, but as far as v210 in .avi and Media Composer 2018 are concerned, it didn't work.
I'll make some tests tomorrow at work with a newer version, though.

kolak · 17th June 2022, 00:08

Some tools have exactly same "green" video problem with AVI, but MOV works, so try.
Also- old AVID was crap when it comes to any codec which is not AVID's. 2018 is not so old thought (I'm probably thinking 10 years back).

FranceBB · 27th June 2022, 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolak

Use v210 as output format as this is most likely to work in AVID.

Ok so I tried with a newer version of AVID Media Composer and now it works with either .mov or .avi.

Below you can see both lossless versions muxed in .avi and in .mov as containers being linked without any issues.

kolak · 27th June 2022, 09:45

They give different preview?

FranceBB · 27th June 2022, 10:59

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Originally Posted by kolak

They give different preview?

Yes, 'cause different decoders are involved: one gets it right, one gets it wrong.
It's about levels, but it's easily fixable in the source settings by disabling the auto detection of TV Range/PC Range.

kolak · 27th June 2022, 12:30

Hmm...which is bit crap as for AVID. v210 is a standard format and should be decoded natively. At least you have a "easy" way of fixing it.

FranceBB · 27th June 2022, 13:15

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Originally Posted by kolak

Hmm...which is bit crap as for AVID. v210 is a standard format and should be decoded natively. At least you have a "easy" way of fixing it.

Well, the thing with AVID is that while other NLE are meant to be used independently, AVID Media Composer isn't.
I mean, sure, you can use it as a standalone instance, but the overwhelming majority of AVID users work in an AVID Nexis RAID6 storage which is accessed by AVID Interplay Access.

TL;DR they don't link and transcode raw files, but rather drag and drop clips into the bin from Interplay Access and those clips have already been encoded and "checked-in" the system so that they're conformed to a certain standard mezzanine file (XDCAM-50, AVC Intra 100, XAVC Intra Class 300, DNxHR etc). In other words, AVID supports only a bunch of formats natively and it expects the metadata to be in a certain way. Files in the storage are also stored with their uuid (I think it's called mobID if I remember correctly) and not with a human readable name and by dragging the "virtual" clip from Interplay Access you actually get the separate video.mxf, audio mono.mxf (and eventually the proxy) to play as one single clip.

It's a bit complicated to explain word-by-word, but it's a whole infrastructure which works just fine.

kolak · 27th June 2022, 15:26

I know how AVID works. It fits certain workflow very well, but for others it's bad choice.
Some people buy it because it's AVID and typically it's huge mistake.

Katie Boundary · 1st July 2022, 12:20

Are there no earlier versions of Avid that can import AVS files, like Premiere could? I'd rather not screw around with Pismo

kolak · 2nd July 2022, 21:28

95% no. Pismo is your only choice.
Have no seen any "bad effects" after installing Pismo.

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Katie Boundary Registered User Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,056	Is there a way to import AVS files into Avid Media Composer 8.0? If not, is there another version of Avid that can import, or be made to import, AVS files? __________________ I ask unusual questions but always give proper thanks to those who give correct and useful answers.

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Sharc Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,997	^^^^ This, but use the AVFS.exe which is included in the portable Vapoursynth package. It accepts more colorspaces. Last edited by Sharc; 16th June 2022 at 16:08.

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	Some tools have exactly same "green" video problem with AVI, but MOV works, so try. Also- old AVID was crap when it comes to any codec which is not AVID's. 2018 is not so old thought (I'm probably thinking 10 years back). Last edited by kolak; 17th June 2022 at 00:11.

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16th June 2022, 15:00	#2 \| Link
Frank62 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 234	See here https://www.videohelp.com/software/A...al-File-System and/or google for PISMO.

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Frank62 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 234	Nice hint, thank you!

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	Use v210 as output format as this is most likely to work in AVID. If AVID doesn't read v210 avi then open it in QT 7 Pro on Windows and create reference MOV. This should import to AVID.

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	They give different preview?

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	Hmm...which is bit crap as for AVID. v210 is a standard format and should be decoded natively. At least you have a "easy" way of fixing it.

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	I know how AVID works. It fits certain workflow very well, but for others it's bad choice. Some people buy it because it's AVID and typically it's huge mistake.

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kolak Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 2,843	95% no. Pismo is your only choice. Have no seen any "bad effects" after installing Pismo.