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[Sharc]

BD-RB v0.31.01, Movie NCFM, Movie only, 2 x audio AC3 448, 1-pass crf, no resize, strict avchd, BD5:
=> Audio lags video by about 1 sec for both audio tracks.

Extracting the audio with eac3to from the original disc reports no delay for the LPCM track (eng), and a delay of 1001 ms for the ac3 tracks.
BD-RB selects the LPCM track as first audio (eng) and one of the ac3 tracks as second audio.
Any suggestion?

[gandalf027]

Thx PacMan and GaPony .. will start using the quick option for bd25.

[Julian124]

Originally Posted by VistaVick

Was ffdshow running when bd rebuilder was encoding? If not, I would uninstall any codecs or codec packs (but not avisynth) and install sharks package for simplicity sake. Then launch the settings application for sharks and make sure in the h264 tab ffdshow is selected to be used and not windows own codec. Then hopefully when you run bd rebuilder ffdshow will launch properly and the video will not be choppy.

You don't have to wait for a full encode job to check the quality of the video, just wait for one or two smaller videos to finish being encoded and browse to the work folder.

Yeah it was, but I checked both the actual movie and the backup, both were having the same problem, turns out i was just my bluray player.
Also, I am having problems with Shark007 codecs and trying to rebuild the movie, The Ugly Truth. To other, supposedly installing the Shark007 codecs fixed the out of sync problems. But I am still running into them, how would I fix this?

Thank you for replying to my questions.

UPDATE:
I've been having quite some trouble with the following movies being out of sync:
Fighting
Drag Me to Hell
Nothing Like the Holidays
The Ugly Truth
Has anyone else been experiencing similar issues?

[Capsbackup]

@Julian124;
What are you using to play back the files that have audio async?
What is your cpu/video card/ram specs?
Have you tried playing just the .m2ts file with Media Player Classic, and is the audio async this way too?
Have you defragmented your hard drives?

[Julian124]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

@Julian124;
What are you using to play back the files that have audio async?
What is your cpu/video card/ram specs?
Have you tried playing just the .m2ts file with Media Player Classic, and is the audio async this way too?
Have you defragmented your hard drives?

I am using VLC and Windows Media Player, also, burning the backup to a disc and playing it via my BDROM and BD Player.
I have a Dell Studio XPS 8000 w/ i7 Processor & 8.0 GB of RAM.
Not specifically with MPC but with WMP & VLC.
No I actually havent, but its a fairly new computer, how would that affect what was happening?

Thank you for replying.

[Duppie]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

It can also be LPCM (up to 7.1). But that severely limits how much you can put on a DVD-5/9.

Thanks

For LPCM I will most probably use AC-3 since the LPCM audio track can be quite big, as you mentioned. From all your own tests and tests from the people of this threat, would you recommend me using 720p / 1080p for DVD-9? I know it lies is the eye of the beholder but at the moment I do not have an HD display and will only have one by the end of the year.

I doubt there will be much of a difference in 720p and 1080p. I just think the re-encode will be much closer to the real thing at 720p than at 1080p since you use half the bandwidth of a regular BD movie at 20 Gig.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by sharc

bd-rb v0.31.01, movie ncfm, movie only, 2 x audio ac3 448, 1-pass crf, no resize, strict avchd, bd5:
=> audio lags video by about 1 sec for both audio tracks.

Extracting the audio with eac3to from the original disc reports no delay for the lpcm track (eng), and a delay of 1001 ms for the ac3 tracks.
Bd-rb selects the lpcm track as first audio (eng) and one of the ac3 tracks as second audio.
Any suggestion?

ncfm?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Duppie

Thanks

For LPCM I will most probably use AC-3 since the LPCM audio track can be quite big, as you mentioned. From all your own tests and tests from the people of this threat, would you recommend me using 720p / 1080p for DVD-9? I know it lies is the eye of the beholder but at the moment I do not have an HD display and will only have one by the end of the year.

I doubt there will be much of a difference in 720p and 1080p. I just think the re-encode will be much closer to the real thing at 720p than at 1080p since you use half the bandwidth of a regular BD movie at 20 Gig.

I personally leave them at the original resolution for BD-9. The exception might be if you have a series disc with 4 hours of video... but for most discs you'd be hard pressed to see the difference. Of course if someone did decide to keep LPCM it could change the outcome a lot... Don't let the ridiculously high bitrates used on originals fool you -- it normally isn't really needed with AVC and VC-1.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by Julian124

I am using VLC and Windows Media Player, also, burning the backup to a disc and playing it via my BDROM and BD Player.
I have a Dell Studio XPS 8000 w/ i7 Processor & 8.0 GB of RAM.
Not specifically with MPC but with WMP & VLC.
No I actually havent, but its a fairly new computer, how would that affect what was happening?

Thank you for replying.

Just suggestions, process of elimination. Your specs are quite adequate to play back HD material.
If you open the corresponding .mpls playlist for the main movie that has async audio with tsMuxeR, highlight the audio streams you are keeping, do they show an audio delay?
I have backed up quite a few movies, not the ones you mention though, and have had only one with async audio ( Batman Begins ). I believe jdobbs has corrected the rare audio delay issue that some movies have.
However, if there is a negative audio delay present with the described detection method I just mentioned, I think tsMuxeR is not able to correct it. Negative delays, with my testing, are not properly corrected upon remux.

[dragonknight]

@ jdobbs

this was ripped with the latest anydvdhd and the org. files play back fine. well it looks like it maybe a windows 7 pro 64bit problem because i do not get the error in windows xp pro 32bit. also this is all taking place on the same computer that dual booted into one os or the other.

[23:43:56] BD Rebuilder v0.31.01 (beta)
  - Source:  PELHAM_123
  - Input BD size: 41.62 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:12:03.420]
  - Target BD size: 7.72 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[23:43:56] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [23:43:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00205]
 - [23:43:57] Reencoding: VID_00205 (1 of 24)
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00205.meta
 - This is not an EBML file (id=0/440786851
[23:43:58] - Failed to build structure, aborted

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

ncfm?

No Country for Old Men, Region B.
The audio lags the video by about 2 seconds.
At the beginning of the video there are studio intros of about 25 seconds duration.
Here the MUX_MOVIE_ONLY meta:
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --avchd --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:03:44.474;00:13:41.904;00:20:50.415;00:27:52.837;00:36:58.382;00:41:52.426;00:52:17.050;01:04:59.312;01:13:08.801;01:20:05.801;01:27:35.875;01:34:35.127;01:42:21.009;01:47:22.644;01:56:32.652 --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\00000.M2TS", fps=23.976, insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113
A_AC3, "C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\AUD_00000_4352.AC3", timeshift=1001, lang=deu
A_AC3, "C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\AUD_00000_4353.AC3", lang=eng
S_HDMV/PGS, "C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\00000.track_4609.SUP",fps=23.976,lang=deu

[DK]

Originally Posted by Sharc

No Country for Old Men, Region B.
The audio lags the video by about 2 seconds.
At the beginning of the video there are studio intros of about 25 seconds duration.

Similar experience here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...09#post1331709

[santito]

i just rebuild the elton 60 bluray

and still have the same problem with the menu ... it "dissapears"

[Lynxs]

Originally Posted by dragonknight

this was ripped with the latest anydvdhd and the org. files play back fine.

[23:43:56] BD Rebuilder v0.31.01 (beta)
  - Source:  PELHAM_123
  - Input BD size: 41.62 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:12:03.420]
  - Target BD size: 7.72 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[23:43:56] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [23:43:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00205]
 - [23:43:57] Reencoding: VID_00205 (1 of 24)
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00205.meta
 - This is not an EBML file (id=0/440786851
[23:43:58] - Failed to build structure, aborted

@dragonknight,

Strange.. this one encoded for me almost perfectly the first time as a full backup BD-9... looks like you're trying to do the same thing...


The only issue I had was the initial menu video looked extremely pixelated but I also tried to reencode the whole disk without the "Quicker Extra" switch turn off. To correct it I just reencoded again separately with the "Quicker Extra" switch turn on; I imported the menu video file (I believe it was m2ts.0001) over to my original re-encode and everything worked.

Other than that I had absolutely no problem reencoding this one Seems like a muxing problem.. are you using the tsmuxer that's in the BD-R or are you using a different version?

Again please let the team know your specs and settings... this BD should not give you a problem

Sorry, just noticed you're using windows 7 ... I'm using XP MCE.. so maybe there could be something there...

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by DK

Similar experience here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...09#post1331709

Are these movies from MIRAMAX ?
I'm asking because I had sync problems in two cases so far. Both happen to be from MIRAMAX studio.

[dragonknight]

Originally Posted by Lynxs

@dragonknight,

Strange.. this one encoded for me almost perfectly the first time as a full backup BD-9... looks like you're trying to do the same thing...


The only issue I had was the initial menu video looked extremely pixelated but I also tried to reencode the whole disk without the "Quicker Extra" switch turn off. To correct it I just reencoded again separately with the "Quicker Extra" switch turn on; I imported the menu video file (I believe it was m2ts.0001) over to my original re-encode and everything worked.

Other than that I had absolutely no problem reencoding this one Seems like a muxing problem.. are you using the tsmuxer that's in the BD-R or are you using a different version?

Again please let the team know your specs and settings... this BD should not give you a problem

Sorry, just noticed you're using windows 7 ... I'm using XP MCE.. so maybe there could be something there...

@Lynxs
yes i was doing encode in windows 7 pro 64bit and that when i got the following error listed above. however, when i switched over to windows xp pro 32bit it worked fine with now error at all.

[Julian124]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

Just suggestions, process of elimination. Your specs are quite adequate to play back HD material.
If you open the corresponding .mpls playlist for the main movie that has async audio with tsMuxeR, highlight the audio streams you are keeping, do they show an audio delay?
I have backed up quite a few movies, not the ones you mention though, and have had only one with async audio ( Batman Begins ). I believe jdobbs has corrected the rare audio delay issue that some movies have.
However, if there is a negative audio delay present with the described detection method I just mentioned, I think tsMuxeR is not able to correct it. Negative delays, with my testing, are not properly corrected upon remux.

How would I open the bluray playlist for a full backup movie?
There is like over 25 playlists in the PLAYLIST folder. How would I know which one to open? Thank you for helping me.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by Julian124

How would I open the bluray playlist for a full backup movie?
There is like over 25 playlists in the PLAYLIST folder. How would I know which one to open? Thank you for helping me.

Use BDInfo to tell you what .mpls corresponds to the .m2ts file/files.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
Not a bug, but I am not so sure if setting cqmin=0 is a good choice. It seems to drive crf to unnecessary high values for 1-pass crf encodes for a given target size.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

@jdobbs
Not a bug, but I am not so sure if setting cqmin=0 is a good choice. It seems to drive crf to unnecessary high values for 1-pass crf encodes for a given target size.

But it would undersize if not... which is where I was getting so many complaints. I can't think of any downside to a higher than needed value -- and it keeps the "why doesn't it fill my disc?" crowd off my back.