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Old 31st January 2014, 00:05   #19001  |  Link
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Yes. I currently upsize to 3840x1080 via AVISYNTH when I feed it to FRIMEncode.
If I understand the new 3D SBS IMPORT correctly, this would mean that we actually loose the original resolution when converting the half-SBS import to full FRIM-MVC, as the upscaling does not bring the details back.
If so, I think full SBS import 3840x1080 (as an option) would make sense.

Edit:
Sorry I missed your last post. Apparently you are working on it.

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If I understand the new 3D SBS IMPORT correctly, this would mean that we actually loose the original resolution when converting the half-SBS import to full FRIM-MVC, as the upscaling does not bring the details back.
If so, I think full SBS import 3840x1080 (as an option) would make sense.

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Sorry I missed your last post. Apparently you are working on it.
You don't lose the resolution when you reencode -- if it is half-SBS that resolution was already lost before you even start the import.

But, yes, I should be posting an update shortly that supports full SBS importing. I found another small change I need to make during testing.

BTW, BD-RB already supports full SBS backups to MKV or MP4, but I may add another preset just to make it clear.
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Old 31st January 2014, 00:33   #19003  |  Link
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No... but the output size would be unpredictable. It may or may not be small enough to fit on your selected target.
That's great, thank you.
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Old 31st January 2014, 01:08   #19004  |  Link
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I had to make one small change to enable full SBS support. I'm doing a test now, and will post an update (assuming it works ok).
This will likely not be posted until tomorrow. I need to do some more tests.
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Old 31st January 2014, 02:52   #19005  |  Link
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BD Rebuilder v0.46.07 (beta)

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the latest version of BD-RB (v0.46.07). Changes for this release:
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- Added a new type of IMPORT function. BD-RB
  will now import video files in 3D side-by-
  side (SBS) format, and when reencoding the
  created pseudo source to BD-5/9/25/50 they 
  will be converted back to standard MVC for 
  3D playback in 3D-capable BD players.
- Corrected an error the could result in a
  failed encode when outputting to ALTERNATE
  formats from a 3D source without having the
  "Enable SBS 3D Movie-Only output" selected.
- Fixed a problem with some non-multipart 
  sources using multiprocessing settings that 
  could result in a "ERROR in attempt to mux 
  (MKVMERGE)" error when ALTERNATE output has
  been selected.
- Fixed an issue in which an ALTERNATE choice
  from a 3D source that has been selected for
  intact video output without SBS mode chosen
  might sometimes incorrectly reencode.
- (v0.46.07) Updated the SBS 3D IMPORT feature 
  to support full SBS imports. v0.46.06 only
  supported half-SBS imports.   
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
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I've moved a few off-topic posts to another thread.
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Old 31st January 2014, 11:46   #19007  |  Link
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Old 31st January 2014, 12:52   #19008  |  Link
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My sincere thanks to jdobbs for the BDRebuilder program. It has proven so very useful to me for shrinking files down to the size where they fit on a DVD or DL medium.

I'm wondering if there is any way the program can be made any faster than it currently is, or is it running about as fast as it possibly can now?
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My sincere thanks to jdobbs for the BDRebuilder program. It has proven so very useful to me for shrinking files down to the size where they fit on a DVD or DL medium.

I'm wondering if there is any way the program can be made any faster than it currently is, or is it running about as fast as it possibly can now?
I have been re-authoring BDs with my own methods for a long time, but recently found BD-RB to be easier and faster than my old way. It seems to me that while 25GB BD-Rs are wicked-fast to make (just a few hours) with BD-RB, to shrink these programs to -5 or -9 size is always going to take longer because x264 has alot more work to do.

Beyond that I dunno given you haven't said what your PC setup is.
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My sincere thanks to jdobbs for the BDRebuilder program. It has proven so very useful to me for shrinking files down to the size where they fit on a DVD or DL medium.

I'm wondering if there is any way the program can be made any faster than it currently is, or is it running about as fast as it possibly can now?
You are probably aware of the One-pass (CRF) mode which shortens the encoding time at a certain (but low) risk of occasional oversize (or undersize). I use it often for BD5/9. In the rare event of oversize I have to redo the encoding either with a manually selected slightly higher fix CRF (rebuilder.ini hidden option), or 2-pass.
I think the various steps of BD-RB are already widely optimized. The biggest portion of the time is normally consumed by the x264 encoding which stresses the CPU close to 100%, so there is nothing to be gained there.
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Old 31st January 2014, 16:07   #19011  |  Link
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Thank you for your great work @ Jdobbs

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Yes it is.... I think it is high time again sending a few bucks for Full 3D MVC backups,....
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yes it is .. 've already done ..

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Please read my response to your first post.
so, now iīve encoded "odd thomas" (main movie) it with v04605 (it makes no difference which one you use - all other bds i have encoded are in a good shape, no problems at all) in bd-25 size. all looks fine now, no dtc blocks, but i want it dvd9 size, so i take the bd-25 sized one and reencode it. i also activated the "3d to 2d encode" option, but it is no 3d original source. I hope all works fine. here is the
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"C:\video\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS" --preset medium --bluray-compat --b-pyramid none --weightp 1 --qpmin=0 --bitrate 28288 --level 4.1 --qpfile "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.CHP" --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 30000 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-maxrate 35000 --threads auto --slices 4 --thread-input --stats "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.264.stats" --pass 2 --output "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.264"

i will post results of the dvd9 encoded one!

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so, now iīve encoded "odd thomas" (main movie) it with v04605 (it makes no difference which one you use - all other bds i have encoded are in a good shape, no problems at all) in bd-25 size. all looks fine now, no dtc blocks, but i want it dvd9 size, so i take the bd-25 sized one and reencode it. I hope all works fine. here is the
OT_BD_LASTCMD.txt

"C:\video\BD_Rebuilder\tools\x264.exe" "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS" --preset medium --bluray-compat --b-pyramid none --weightp 1 --qpmin=0 --bitrate 28288 --level 4.1 --qpfile "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.CHP" --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 30000 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-maxrate 35000 --threads auto --slices 4 --thread-input --stats "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.264.stats" --pass 2 --output "D:\FILM_REC_WORK\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.264"

i will post results of the dvd9 encoded one!
????

1. You said that an earlier version created a good copy while a newer one created blocks -- and both were using the same version of X264.

2. I explained that it was highly unlikely because they use the same command line and asked you to post the two command lines so I could show that it hadn't changed.

3. So now you've decided you're going to post two command lines -- one from a BD-25 and another from a BD-9.... of course they are going to be different. The bitrate will be 5 times lower!!!

How is that going to help, or even mean anything at all?????
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Hi, so my understanding of the new 3D to BR feature is that I can take a SBS MKV, import it via the 'file>import video file (side by side)' command, select BD-25 as my output and hit go? Tried two different MKVs, both failed. Are there some other bits of software required or have i got the feature wrong?

18:07:08] Importing MKV: CM2
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[18:18:08] Video import completed successfully.
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[01/31/14] BD Rebuilder v0.46.07 (beta)
[18:19:55] Source: CM2_00000
- Input BD size: 13.32 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:34:50.142]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Converting SBS source to 3D-BD format
- Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[18:19:55] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:19:55] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [18:19:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [18:28:44] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 136,427 frames
- Bitrate: 30,566 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC reencoding
- [18:28:44] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 1
[18:28:46] - Failed video encode, aborted
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????

1. You said that an earlier version created a good copy while a newer one created blocks -- and both were using the same version of X264.

2. I explained that it was highly unlikely because they use the same command line and asked you to post the two command lines so I could show that it hadn't changed.

3. So now you've decided you're going to post two command lines -- one from a BD-25 and another from a BD-9.... of course they are going to be different. The bitrate will be 5 times lower!!!

How is that going to help, or even mean anything at all?????
the 10 min clip did not make problems in the test-runs, but the entire main movie was bad to encode! no you donīt understand, of course there are blocks by lower bitrate encoding, but they do not flinker or change the position - in this case it was problemtic, the dtc-blocks were pulsating and went out of stukture! crazy, isnīt it?

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Hi, so my understanding of the new 3D to BR feature is that I can take a SBS MKV, import it via the 'file>import video file (side by side)' command, select BD-25 as my output and hit go? Tried two different MKVs, both failed. Are there some other bits of software required or have i got the feature wrong?

18:07:08] Importing MKV: CM2
- Collecting audio/video streams from source...
- Building pseudo-BD source structure...
[18:18:08] Video import completed successfully.
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[01/31/14] BD Rebuilder v0.46.07 (beta)
[18:19:55] Source: CM2_00000
- Input BD size: 13.32 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:34:50.142]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Converting SBS source to 3D-BD format
- Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[18:19:55] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:19:55] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [18:19:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [18:28:44] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 136,427 frames
- Bitrate: 30,566 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC reencoding
- [18:28:44] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 1
[18:28:46] - Failed video encode, aborted
I've done several using that exact sequence.

Any chance they are odd input sizes? Can you post the AVS file contents? If that doesn't work maybe you can get an example MKV to me for testing.
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Hmmmm, well I had a line in my config about MVC so I removed it. Encoding has now started. I think I had to add MVC from a different package,something to do with the 3D side of things? Do I need it?
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My first attempt of 3DMKV(1/2 SBS) to 3DBD appeared to work. But I never saw anything about using FRIM. It used X264. And there was no "SSIF" data. So perhaps I'm confused as to the 3DBD standard. The resulting file stays in SBS? I won't be trying again, until I have my 3D display in a week or two. Though BDrebuilder seemed to acknowledge that everything 3D was kosher, regarding the input.
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