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17th August 2020, 19:14 | #1085 | Link |
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I don't know what happened, but External subs are not loading using XySubfilter. It works for embedded subs, but not external ones. I am using MPC-BE with LAV, MadVr, and ffdshow tryouts. I've tried installing the "stable" versions of these as well as the newest updated versions, and on different machines. I have XySubfilter set as the subfilter in MPC-BE, and have it loading in External filters (along with the others), and disabled all the filters built into MPC-BE. So I am not sure why it won't load external subs. I check the directory setting, etc. I'm at a loss. I have to switch between XySubfilter to the internal MPC-BE filter in order to watch something with external subs. Any ideas?
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17th August 2020, 20:32 | #1087 | Link |
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I only use ffdshow tryouts for audio decoding and post-processing. It has nothing to do with video. Lav audio has opus, alac, and tak that ffdshow does not have. I disable the rest in lav audio. Lav audio, if using opus for example, will then send the output pcm to ffdshow processor before being send to "anyfilter" which goes to directshow windows atmos for home theater. ffdshow decoder will send raw formats directly to the receiver, except those that can't be decoded on the receiver (AAC primarily), which then are sent to "anyfilter" by default, which converts to pcm and goes over the ffdshow processor. You can set it to go to "DirectShow" instead of "anyfilter" and bypass ffdshow processor and send it to windows atoms for home theater directly. That is how I had it set. When I switched it back to "anyfilter", the subs came back. Weird. Not sure why that is, since it has nothing to do with video. I must have something to do with how the directshow filters stack?
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19th August 2020, 06:49 | #1093 | Link |
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they both are based on vsfilter but performance differences become less and less over the years but there are very simple things where xy subfilter is simple unchallenged at AFAIK that's the "that's the new subtitle interface" and things you can only do with it like calibration.
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19th August 2020, 10:21 | #1095 | Link |
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The XY stuff is based on ISR/VSFilter, not the other way around. The new interface is just a way to mimic the main benefit of ISR compared to VSFilter, which is processing subs separately instead of having a filter in between the video decoder and renderer. That means no issues with DXVA, and no limitations regarding rendering resolution.
These modified filters used to be faster than ISR many years ago, but that difference is insignificant nowadays due to improvements in ISR. @huhn, what do you mean with calibration? The matrix/level options? If you have any examples where ISR needs adjustment, then maybe similar options can be added for that. @ryrynz, I saw several people lately who had performance issues with XySubFilter and madVR, that disappeared when switching to ISR. So the assumption that madVR likes XySubFilter better is wrong. |
19th August 2020, 15:34 | #1096 | Link |
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i'm talking 3D LUTs gamma correction and such these are only properly doable with the new interface AFAIK.
ISR and XY subfilter performance issue come mostly from the rendering resolution by default ISR isn't doing 4K but xy subfilter is and vsfilter is terrible for high resolution. |
19th August 2020, 16:13 | #1097 | Link |
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That is also doable with ISR.
ISR can render at 4k resolution. It defaults to the displayed video size. It also has an option to maximize the texture size to a specified resolution if desired for performance reasons. MPC-HC ISR might even get an option to use libass for rendering. Code for that is nearly ready. |
19th August 2020, 16:42 | #1098 | Link |
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trust me you don't want to render ass subtitles at 4K pretty much ever.
even libass has serious issues with it. it was not a complain that ISR isn't rendering at 4K by default is a great feature and i would actually say render at a "low" resolution just to prevent issues is a good thing 1080p should be fine. i'm personally switching between xy subfilter and assfilter mod. and as long as the ISR isn't using the new subtitle interface i can't switch i would be better of with xy vsfilter. i'm soon going to switch to bt 2020 gamut mapping 3D LUT calibration. without color corrected subtitles the image will be unusable. just for tone mapping you will need the new interface. it's not an issue yet but HDR "will" show up with ASS subs and the new interface can handle this already. |
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