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Old 12th May 2019, 09:18   #56201  |  Link
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It doesn't work for me, continuous frame drops, and it doesn't improve too much anyway. Gradual Denoise works quite well but I have to reduce other settings a bit.
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it should work with DXVA scaling.
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I'm fed up with the grain/noise added to some UHD videos.
Added? That would probably be "preserved".
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Old 12th May 2019, 12:51   #56204  |  Link
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Preserved in most cases, yes. In some movies they've done really stupid things and attempted to add film grain to make it feel more like film. I can't think of it off the top of my head but I encountered one of them recently and it was very distracting.

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Lol! I wasn't messing around. I wanted something that would handle the settings I choose to use. Madvr can be power hungry at times.

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Old 12th May 2019, 13:34   #56205  |  Link
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madVR can be CPU hungry?

don't waste your money on a CPU just get a bigger GPU.
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The CPU wasn't for madvr. My 3770k machine developed a bad Mobo and the whole machine had to be upgraded. And I don't like upgrading often so I tend to go all out when I do. I completely agree that the 9900k is overkill for madvr.

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Added? That would probably be "preserved".
I think that depends.

The grain is indeed "preserved" if we're talking about a movie shot on actual film stock that's being digitally scanned afterwards.

With more recent movies, mostly shot with digital cameras, grain is often added in post-production to achieve a film look. I don't really mind (I like "organic" dirty looking pictures) unless the filmmakers turns the knob to 11.
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madVR can be CPU hungry?

don't waste your money on a CPU just get a bigger GPU.
I'm using a Core i5-Haswell with a GTX 1060 6gb and because the GPU is doing every video processing now, can I downgrade the CPU to a Pentium eg.G3450 without lowering madVR power ?
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i personally would get a CPU with AVX2 support but madVR doesn't care.

no one measured blackbar detection yet but it is nearly for sure single threaded.
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I'm using a Core i5-Haswell with a GTX 1060 6gb and because the GPU is doing every video processing now, can I downgrade the CPU to a Pentium eg.G3450 without lowering madVR power ?
Yes you can. One of my TV box is a g3258 @ 4.6ghz, dual core, non-hyperthread + DDR3 2400mhz, nvi 1060 6g

During full UHD iso playback, Cpu utilization (total) hovers around 70% in this config

I wouldn't recommend this unless it's a dedicated machine though, because if some other app kicks on in the background, this thing Will-Stutter.
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AVX2 supported only by Core-I, so downgrade from i5 to a i3 doesn't make sense since the i5 can decode AV1 4k@30fps
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It'd have to be a high side 6 series i5 @ 4.3ghz and above for Full-fat 4k.

For sandy bridge gen i-series, w/ AVX, it has to be ~4.7ghz

Avx 2 is unnecessary.

But you wouldn't upgrade CPU Just For madvr, that's a waste, because a faster GPU can do more for the Same increase in money spent..
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AVX2 is very important for decoding and gives serious IPC gains and is used a lot in the past years: http://www.redaktion.tu-berlin.de/fi...n/chi2015b.pdf
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Preserved in most cases, yes.
I watch UHD movies downscaled to 1080p tone mapped to 200 nits with madVR, but even with downscaling I've noticed that film grain/digital noise is much less aesthetically pleasing than in any 1080 Blu-ray I've seen. Don't know if it's because of HDR or the better source definition or something else but it looks more like artifacts than grain or camera read noise (which usually doesn't bother me).
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AVX2 is very important for decoding and gives serious IPC gains and is used a lot in the past years: [link]
But if you're using GPU decode for the codecs that are supported now, then this would only be useful for AV1 while there is no fixed function hardware support. If it will be really useful or not all depends on how often you upgrade your GPU.
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I watch UHD movies downscaled to 1080p tone mapped to 200 nits with madVR, but even with downscaling I've noticed that film grain/digital noise is much less aesthetically pleasing than in any 1080 Blu-ray I've seen.
I agree UHD's film grain is eyes-scratching. When madshi returns, we should ask him about it.
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The CPU wasn't for madvr. My 3770k machine developed a bad Mobo and the whole machine had to be upgraded. And I don't like upgrading often so I tend to go all out when I do. I completely agree that the 9900k is overkill for madvr.
I also have a 3770K and the motherboard (Asus P8P-67 Pro) is on its last leg. The only thing preventing me from upgrading it as long as it doesn't die is that I'm waiting for PCI-E 4.0 or 5.0, to future-proof my upgrade a bit more.

I'm like you, I don't upgrade my mobo/chassis very often. I built this system in 2011 and I have upgraded many components since (RAM, SSD, CPU, GPU). The mobo has been rock solid apart from a few SATA and USB ports disintegrating over time.

Hopefully it will hold until I can get a MOBO with a PCI-E standard for the next 10 years, possibly with a GPU with HDMI 2.1...

It's still not a bottleneck for madVR and my 1080ti, so fingers crossed it will last a bit longer...
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I'd been putting this upgrade off a while. The machine has had stability issues for a couple years now and the usual troubleshooting did not determine the issue. I even put it in a new case/power supply and the issues continued. Turns out it was an intermittently bad DIMM slot causing random (and I mean RANDOM) reboots under medium and heavy loads. Super hard to diagnose. At that point it became imperative to replace the mobo, cpu, and ram. The upgrade was planned a year ago but I got distracted with my UHD upgrade first, and then getting laid off 7 months ago. But now that I have a new job I wanted to get this thing fixed and upgraded first thing. I think I built a little monster that should last a while.

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I watch UHD movies downscaled to 1080p tone mapped to 200 nits with madVR, but even with downscaling I've noticed that film grain/digital noise is much less aesthetically pleasing than in any 1080 Blu-ray I've seen. Don't know if it's because of HDR or the better source definition or something else but it looks more like artifacts than grain or camera read noise (which usually doesn't bother me).But if you're using GPU decode for the codecs that are supported now, then this would only be useful for AV1 while there is no fixed function hardware support. If it will be really useful or not all depends on how often you upgrade your GPU.
Some movies are worse than others. And from what I can tell it really does match the original source material. Karate Kid 1984, for example, has a ton of grain in it but the original source material does. I think on a lot of 1080p blu-rays they filter some of that out when they master it whereas the UHD is trying to retain source material as much as possible. I'm good with original film grain. I'm not as much of a fan as digitally added film grain to try to make it look like film. I think that's where they overdo it quite a bit. IMO anyway.
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I've read that the next generation of Ryzen chips should have mobos with the next PCIe gen on them.
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Yes it's coming. I'll wait for Intel though.
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from what I can tell it really does match the original source material. [...] I think on a lot of 1080p blu-rays they filter some of that out when they master it whereas the UHD is trying to retain source material as much as possible.
Yes, possibly when those old movies were released we didn't witness that grain in the cinemas as the 35mm projection prints always lose quality compared to the negatives, so it just may be the first time we actually encounter it and it looks weird to us.
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