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Old 5th March 2019, 20:46   #1  |  Link
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Optimal 4k settings for smoother image MadVR, enjoy!!

Idling around 65 % max on RTX 2070 graphics card.

To all professionals, this guide does not show a full RGB range setting since my receiver don't support it and if you want this you need to configure it in the filter. It also does not pass through HDR picture.
This guide is for people who want a quick configuration to get optimal picture without these 2 things. I'm using 8bpc color depth 60hz LG oled screen.

What I found is that I love a sharp image, but also a smooth image. If I ramped up sharpness and crisp settings and so on the picture would get really sharp but look very grainy and this destroyed for me the experience. So I stumbled across a setting that provided optimal sharpness but with minimal grainyness and the picture is now incredible, the best I've seen.
So sharing this here now for those who want it.

If you have a 3dlut file go ahead and apply it. However, I have not calibrated my screen so I simply found a random 3dlut file in a guide which I'm using and it works great. So for those of you who are like me who do not have the time or energy to fix a perfect 3dlut file you can probably just go ahead and use the one provided like I did.

Here are the settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hyQD9-7G8c

the 3dlut file
https://ufile.io/4wdo2

The Optimal smooth 4k MadVR settings.bin file
https://ufile.io/yb0ne

Comparison:
My The Optimal smooth 4k MadVR settings.bin https://imgur.com/2tdrt82

Asmodian max quality settings.bin https://imgur.com/aIQgHd4

Side by side smoother setting on the left side:
https://imgur.com/DME3t6w

LARGE PNG COMPARISON 4 screens from 2 scenes high quality
LEFT is smooth RIGHT is grainy(asmodian):

https://ibb.co/RQGNmvg

Full image 12mb download link:
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Optimal settings that do not use full range?

DO NOT USE RANDOM 3DLUTs! That is going to do more harm than good. The differences between screens are as significant as the corrections so a random 3DLUT results in a randomly modified image.

Why did you enable gamma processing?! You use High debanding by default?! Using Image Enhancements with LumaSharpen, AdaptiveSharpen, and sharpen edges by default on all content? Ouch!

Using NGU very high for chroma?! Use high at most.

Using more sharpen edges, crispen edges, enhance detail, LumaSharpen, and AdaptiveSharpen all at the same time in upscaling refinement too!?!

Sorry, but this looks more like a guide of what you should not do to me. Way too much processing for default settings.
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Optimal settings that do not use full range?

DO NOT USE RANDOM 3DLUTs! That is going to do more harm than good. The differences between screens are as significant as the corrections so a random 3DLUT results in a randomly modified image.

Why did you enable gamma processing?! You use High debanding by default?! Using Image Enhancements with LumaSharpen, AdaptiveSharpen, and sharpen edges by default on all content? Ouch!

Using NGU very high for chroma?! Use high at most.

Using more sharpen edges, crispen edges, enhance detail, LumaSharpen, and AdaptiveSharpen all at the same time in upscaling refinement too!?!

Sorry, but this looks more like a guide of what you should not do to me. Way too much processing for default settings.
Have you tried the settings?
Just try it you will see.

About the 3dlut not sure for others but for me it works beautifully. You definitely don't need to make your own 3dlut file, this file makes shadow so much better than not using a 3dlut.
( Although if you want optimal picture, sure go ahead and measure your screen and all that stuff.
About enabling gamma, this way you can use the gamma level of your choice to get the perfect darkness of the image. I use as can be seen 2.2 on almost all movies. If video is a little too bright, just bump it up. Videos can difffer.
About high debanding, definitely, since for 8bpc you get quite a bit of banding even with large UHD material. If you have a perfect RGB setting or whatever, like I mentioned, you can modify these settings to your liking. )

Lumasharpen and Adaptivesharpen makes the image MORE smooth. As you can see I already have the other setting 150% max. That wasn't enough, the other settings makes it so nice. There is something about mixing these that creates the effect.

Yes on ALL 4k content this is optimal. I've tried on both 70gb+ UHD and smaller files around 10gb UHD, you get same exceptional look no matter the 4k content.

About the upscaling, I don't think this section matters for 4k material or is upscale enabled for 4k material? If not you can just skip it. But if you set all settings exactly the same you too will get this wonderful effect so who cares.

Before I always was disturbed by some small grainyness in the image, not anymore AND it's still sharp.

Couple Screens:
Images appear a bit brighter in player than in browser.
https://imgur.com/lke7wmo
https://imgur.com/8qbhmY7
https://imgur.com/ziE1gHd
from silence of the lambs:
https://imgur.com/EQvoedK
https://imgur.com/x60mECs slightly fuzzy camera shot
https://imgur.com/l1zZ3Xm

hateful eight:
https://imgur.com/0r3u7t5
https://imgur.com/Y9LTbLQ

terminator2:
https://imgur.com/6CKMVVx
https://imgur.com/No5Lj9r
https://imgur.com/T6NubnS
https://imgur.com/YsmmKji

jurassic park:
https://imgur.com/Cc9ugx6

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even if you disregard the jpg artifacts, you still see a lot of other artifacts. Sarah Conner's hair looks artificial.
the rest have so much blocking and banding.

if you sit 25 feet away, i guess it looks good.

This is where I appreciate strict rules from hydrogenaudio where people have to prove their "facts".
I don't see any proof here.
More something for youtube and reddit comments.
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Then why dont you change it ?

Edit 1st post, click "Go Advanced", Title is above the text box (maybe give reason for editing "update").
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@maxkill Why don't you use @Asmodian "Max Quality settings.bin" setting which is more optimal than your setting.
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even if you disregard the jpg artifacts, you still see a lot of other artifacts. Sarah Conner's hair looks artificial.
the rest have so much blocking and banding.
if you sit 25 feet away, i guess it looks good.
This is where I appreciate strict rules from hydrogenaudio where people have to prove their "facts".
I don't see any proof here.
More something for youtube and reddit comments.
I sit 10feet away on 55inch oled and it looks incredible, much better than normal settings. The reason I already explained.
Unnatural? I can agree in some scenes skin and other things can look slightly unnatural BUT the smoothness of overall image far outweighs this. AND in most scenes I can not tell if it looks unnatural. I can get a sharper image as explained that will have less smoothing effect, but this will not make it look better. It might look more natural one one way, but also way grainier and unnatural in another way. If you like a grainy sharp image this is not the setting for you.

Think about it like this, if you go outside will you notice a grainy sky or shadows, or a grainyness in someones face? The answer is no, it will look smooth. So in my mind this actually makes it look more natural if anything even if some colors etc look slightly strange in some rare scenes. This makes it way more immersive if you think this makes sense.

Btw, I don't think the hair looks unnatural. Care to post a comparison to show what you mean? I think it looks quite sharp. Keep in mind the screens taken might not have been from scenes in perfect focus.

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Then why dont you change it ?
Edit 1st post, click "Go Advanced", Title is above the text box (maybe give reason for editing "update").
Don't think it's possible to change title just text?

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@maxkill Why don't you use @Asmodian "Max Quality settings.bin" setting which is more optimal than your setting.
I am open to trying it, but doubt it will remove the grainyness and keep sharpness balanced like this config does as you can see in the image.

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Ok I now tried it. I will also upload my bin file.
Mine looks better in my mind comparison side by side

So I needed to prove it?
Judge for yourself
My settings more smooth picture https://imgur.com/2tdrt82

Asmodian max quality settings.bin more grainy https://imgur.com/aIQgHd4

Now you will get little bit more sharpness in the latter, but it will lose the smoothness.

Optimal 4k MadVR settings.bin
https://ufile.io/yb0ne
Remember there is a 1080p profile that runs above 90% on my system and have not fixed that one perfect yet so I'm only claiming to have the 4k settings fixed not the 1080p one. It will switch automatically to each depending upon resolution.

Another thing, I could not apply the 3dlut file to Asmodians settings bin for some reason, but works fine with mine.

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Claiming anything like this is "best" is clearly demonstrating an ignorance of the entire topic, since preferences in image detail are very subjective. Some people like smooth images with all detail lost, some people like sharp images with a bit of grain/noise.
You should rename your thread to say something like "madVR settings that I like". Claiming anything is "best" is just wrong, and also against the Doom9 forum rules, since its very misleading.
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Claiming anything like this is "best" is clearly demonstrating an ignorance of the entire topic, since preferences in image detail are very subjective. Some people like smooth images with all detail lost, some people like sharp images with a bit of grain/noise.
You should rename your thread to say something like "madVR settings that I like". Claiming anything is "best" is just wrong, and also against the Doom9 forum rules, since its very misleading.
I agree, might want to change the thread to

Optimal 4k settings found for smooth picture MadVR, enjoy!! I'm just so happy I can share, it is really is amazing the difference
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"removing grainyness"...

You realize, with older movies, such as Terminator 2, it was filmed with grain.
It's the grain that gives it the details.

Without it... you're removing the only chance it has to have details.
You remove that, you get the horrible blocks and banding that I see in those JPG images.

My monitor is set at sRGB.
It's no a fancy $5K German/Japanese named monitor that needs a $500 calibration.
But nothing looks good in what you did.

Especially when you don't provide a source comparison in PNG (lossless without JPG artifacts).

So you try.
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"removing grainyness"...

You realize, with older movies, such as Terminator 2, it was filmed with grain.
It's the grain that gives it the details.

Without it... you're removing the only chance it has to have details.
You remove that, you get the horrible blocks and banding that I see in those JPG images.

My monitor is set at sRGB.
It's no a fancy $5K German/Japanese named monitor that needs a $500 calibration.
But nothing looks good in what you did.

Especially when you don't provide a source comparison in PNG (lossless without JPG artifacts).

So you try.
I hate that grainyness man, looks like hell to me. If you love it this is not the setting for you, as mentioned many times now.

My pictures not good enough? How can I fix the png picture if I really need to do that? I think you can see the comparison just fine.
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Then don't write "optimal" and "enjoy". You have no idea what others like.

PNG is the least of your worries.
I do see the comparison, and know it's atrocious what you say.
You say with such arrogance and zero evidence.

I can bet you that most here don't respond because they're used to seeing this type of behavior.
I see nothing new nor revolutionary in what is already established.

And well countered in the first response.

So I'll respond the only way you know: With a smile.
You try our method of madness then look into a mirror, friend-o.
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Then don't write "optimal" and "enjoy". You have no idea what others like.

PNG is the least of your worries.
I do see the comparison, and know it's atrocious what you say.
You say with such arrogance and zero evidence.

I can bet you that most here don't respond because they're used to seeing this type of behavior.
I see nothing new nor revolutionary in what is already established.

And well countered in the first response.

So I'll respond the only way you know: With a smile.
You try our method of madness then look into a mirror, friend-o.
If I'm arrogant what are you? Seriously don't try to insinuate that I'm arrogant when sharing what I believe truthfully is a optimal setting. How rude can you get. I don't care about status at all I just want to share the optimal smooth settings. Can I do that without getting shit for it?
Would be nice, but I don't really care what you think. I provided the evidence if you like it go ahead and use it if you don't then don't come back to the thread, simple.
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Don't feed the troll guys ...
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Of course you can, I change date in title on my threads every time I update.
Already told you how, you obviously did not even attempt it.
After 8 years you cannot change title (VBulletin forum software problem).
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Of course you can, I change date in title on my threads every time I update.
Already told you how, you obviously did not even attempt it.
After 8 years you cannot change title (VBulletin forum software problem).
Why are you claiming I did not attempt it? I did attempt it, you are lying. Yes still after 8 years I can not do it, what is your point?

As I said, I can edit the text but not the title.
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Grain is inherent to film stock and is even sometimes added artificially to digitally shot film to make it more filmlike. If you like the DNR wax look thatís fine but as said you are scrubbing detail and frankly butchering the image as well as the directors vision/intent along with it. On top of that and also as been pointed out you canít just go using anyoneís 3dlut you found random on the internet. Optimal for you and thatís fine but ones mans meat is another mans poison.
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Grain is inherent to film stock and is even sometimes added artificially to digitally shot film to make it more filmlike. If you like the DNR wax look thatís fine but as said you are scrubbing detail and frankly butchering the image as well as the directors vision/intent along with it. On top of that and also as been pointed out you canít just go using anyoneís 3dlut you found random on the internet. Optimal for you and thatís fine but ones mans meat is another mans poison.
I never claimed it must be better for everyone to use that 3dlut file, I said it might be better like it was for me. For me it was a huge difference and I've always struggled getting good shading, this file solved that simply by downloading the file and using it in the madvr filter.

As previously stated, yes, if you love the grainy look this is not for you. This creates a smooth image with minimal grainyness while at the same time giving optimal sharpness with this effect.
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