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Old 14th October 2020, 19:13   #61  |  Link
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100% agree on doing the legwork. I do the same but I've not researched AMD solutions in a VERY long time. But I think it's absolutely time to do so. AMD has really done their homework and hit a homerun. Prices will fall at some point.
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Old 14th October 2020, 20:26   #62  |  Link
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I am also not stressed about getting a 3090 right away, I will buy one if I see the one I want available but no need to rush.

AMD's ecosystem is still less polished feeling. Everyone has their issues but the drivers/BIOS/utilities for AMD are cluckier and more likely to have annoyances than Intel's (at least in my experiance). It has matured a lot since Zen1 but it is still a bit off. All in all I am very happy with my 3950X but I like a bit of tweaking of memory timings, etc.

Zen2 was really good and Zen3 is looking even better. It reminds me of Thunderbird.

I think AMD needs to charge more than Intel while their CPUs are better and have the market hype. If they ever want to be similar to Intel in the minds of consumers they need to leave the days of simply being the cheaper alternative to Intel behind them. Price is a strong indication of quality in the minds of consumers and AMD will probably be able to sell them even at the higher prices given their current positive buzz. I know I have been recommending AMD CPUs to friends who don't know AMD from Asus in a way I haven't been able to for decades.
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The PCIe 4.0 is not the complicated part... It's the versatility and customizability of the X570 chipset and how the vendors implement such flexibility. You just need to do the leg work and make sure the board suits your needs.

Edit: What nev said too

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and if you don't do that and buy about a week after release you end up with a x570x pro like me. it has a semi passive chipset cooler see value or something.
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AMD's ecosystem is still less polished feeling.
I agree. One example is that they rely on a poorly supported OpenCL for GPU compute stuff. Open non-proprietary is wonderful as long as it doesn't suck.

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Since it is Red October, I've ported the Reshade/SweetFx version of AMD FidelityFX Contrast Adaptive Sharpening to .hlsl (9 texture, 47 arithmetic). I don't know if it useful for video playback.
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Since it is Red October...
It is...And it will become more Red towards the end, when RX 6000 are announced.

And one more thing...OpenCL went back a few years, the moment the Vice President of nVidia got the chair of President of Khronos Group which is responsible for OpenCL and all the Open standards.

He butchered OpenCL.

Probably oneAPI from Intel - which is surprisingly an Open standard - could save us from CUDA proprietary polished monopoly.
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Probably oneAPI from Intel - which is surprisingly an Open standard - could save us from CUDA proprietary polished monopoly.
Speak for yourself. I don't need saving from CUDA. In fact, I see it as a saviour.

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My EVGA 3080 XC3 is still a ways off. Has anyone else been able to snag one? I stupidly sold my 2080 Ti when 30 series hype was at its peak. No GPU since.
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Speak for yourself. I don't need saving from CUDA. In fact, I see it as a saviour.
how can something running only on one GPU manufacture been see as a saviour?
also there is direct compute and "Vulkan compute" kind of.

and what have AMD to do with the state of OpenCL they support it pretty well unlike nvidia and that's all they can do about it they can't support CUDA.
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My EVGA 3080 XC3 is still a ways off. Has anyone else been able to snag one? I stupidly sold my 2080 Ti when 30 series hype was at its peak. No GPU since.
Ah man that sucks. No I've stopped bothering even trying at this point. I've read rumors that nvidia is holding supply back for November when it'll try to flood what it can. I'm not sure I believe that. In any case I've chosen to wait till next year unless one magically appears when I'm randomly checking inventory. Good luck!

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Latest rumors for October 28th.

All GPUs announced/ released this year will be exclusively Big Navi21

There will be three:

Navi 21 XTX (AMD exclusive)
Navi 21 XT (AIBs - official flagship like 3080)
Navi21 XL

Navi21 XE for 2021

The Navi 21 XT has 2.4 GHz game clock (on average) and a TDP of 255W only.
It is the official flagship of RDNA2 architecture, like 3080 is the official flagship of Ampere architecture.

Navi 21 XT is the Big Navi21 that AIBs have in their hands and the one presented by Dr. Lisa on Ryzen 5000 series announcement.

There will be a faster version Navi21 XTX that AIBs know nothing about it, offered directly by AMD with even higher clocks and TDP of Navi 21 XT, like 3090 vs 3080.

The Navi 21 XTX will not be another Vega64 LC and Navi 21 XT will not be another Vega64, because Navi 21 XT is very close to 3080 with 65W less TDP, so there is a potential for Navi 21 XTX to reach or overcome 3090 with significant less power consumption.
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Thanks for the information Nikos.
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Old 20th October 2020, 18:28   #73  |  Link
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I think Igor is right.

There was a misunderstanding between TDP and TGP for AMD and nVidia cards.
According to his leaks, Navi 21 XT which is going to compete with 3080, has the same power consumption from the wall for the whole card ~320W like 3080

The cards from AIBs are going to hit ~355W power consumption for Navi 21 XT
Maybe that is the reason that Asus and EVGA released BIOS of 450W for 3080 cards.

The Navi 21 XL goes around 290W.

The only thing left that saves RX 6000 from being Vega is that 3080 is actually like 1080 Ti and not 1080 and the release time of RDNA2 is not years later than Ampere.

Ampere and RDNA2 have actually almost the same release date, so users are going to select between them according to availability more than anything else.

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-radeo...ard-exclusive/
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And now I have a bomb to drop.

If Navi21 XT is 320W and Navi21 XL is 290W, then this couple doesn't remind me 3080/3070 with 320W/220W but rather 3090/3080 with 350W/320W.

So, is it possible that Dr. Lisa showed us Navi 21 XL with 290W coming so close to 3080 and Navi 21 XT is actually faster than 3080 chasing 3090 ?

We have to wait a few days for such a bomb to explode, or not.

And what about Navi 21 XTX after all these ?
Does this thing have out of this world performance ?
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I don't believe that high power usage for navi cards, it can't be true, they are on a more advanced node without gddr6x! Well, we will see in real benchmarks.
And what about the rumor of 3600 with 6GB?!
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I remember having to manually set Vsync in the Nividia control panel for 20-series GPUs, else it stuttered during playback without dropping/repeating frames. Is that still applicable for 30-series cards?
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Well, if you can get your hands on a 30xx card, you can let us know. LOL
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Mine should be arriving within the next couple of weeks so here is hoping!
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Oh awesome! A lot of us have been itching to get some feedback from someone with a 30x0 card so that'll be great.
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Mine should be arriving within the next couple of weeks so here is hoping!
My 3090 ordered on the 24th of Sept. was supposed to arrive on the 5th of October... I cancelled my order on the 12th as it was a bogus delivery date and given my place on the waiting list and the snail pace at which it was moving, it wouldn't have arrived until late November. Looking at the waiting list today, I still wouldn't have received it as only about 30 have been delivered (assuming no cancellation) in three weeks and I was close to 100 on the list. It looks like dealers are getting only a few units each week (and this is one of the biggest dealers in the UK). I hope yours is more accurate in their estimate!

Waiting for the 3080 20gb next year most likely.
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