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Old 14th August 2017, 05:35   #44641  |  Link
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Not a fan of either of those for chroma, what determines if they're good to me is how natural they look and how balanced the colors are. I could tell you which out of those three I prefer, that's about it.. Without looking into it right now I'm guessing my preference would be NGU Sharp.

NGU sharp (Luma) looks good on Adywan's recent ESB release BTW.
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Old 14th August 2017, 07:19   #44642  |  Link
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NGU sharp (Luma) looks good on Adywan's recent ESB release BTW.
I cant understand why, but Im getting lots of repeated frames when I use any NGU settings for chroma upscaling, even the lowest. Luma is set to NGU sharp high.

If I use Nnedi 128 for chroma I get no repeated frames and rendering is approx 20ms.

I also get repeated frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling. The only one I can use without repeated frames is Nnedi 128, I wonder whats wrong...? My card is 1080Ti and upscaling everything to 4K.

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Old 14th August 2017, 07:50   #44643  |  Link
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i prefer super xbr 100 for 1080p screens and super xbr 150 for UHD screen with a 1080p source as a chroma scaler.
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Old 14th August 2017, 08:22   #44644  |  Link
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I cant understand why, but Im getting lots of repeated frames when I use any NGU settings for chroma upscaling, even the lowest. Luma is set to NGU sharp high.

If I use Nnedi 128 for chroma I get no repeated frames and rendering is approx 20ms.

I also get repeated frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling. The only one I can use without repeated frames is Nnedi 128, I wonder whats wrong...? My card is 1080Ti and upscaling everything to 4K.
Repeated frames you mean delayed frames? Since I started to use NGU AA low or medium, I'm getting one delayed frame randomly, sometimes I got it, sometimes I don't...It's very weird, my rendering times are around ~ 13-15 ms. I'm using windowed overlay.
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sorry I meant to say dropped frames.
It goes crazy dropping frames if I use any of the NGU settings for chroma upscaling. Also goes crazy dropping frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling.

The only one that runs perect without dropped frames for chroma upscaling for me is Nnedi 128.
So I have to use the above with luma upscaling on NGU sharp high. 4K 1080Ti card.

I would like to now use NGU for chroma upscaling but something is wrong, all it does is drop frames...
Can someone help me trouble shoot please?
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Old 14th August 2017, 09:38   #44646  |  Link
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i prefer super xbr 100 for 1080p screens and super xbr 150 for UHD screen with a 1080p source as a chroma scaler.
Yeah 100 is solid, 150 was too sharp for my tastes, but I'm only upscaling to 1080.
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The only one that runs perect without dropped frames for chroma upscaling for me is Nnedi 128.
So I have to use the above with luma upscaling on NGU sharp high. 4K 1080Ti card.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm mis-remembering, but I was under the impression that NNEDI does not even run on Nvidia 10-series cards because of a change in the drivers. Maybe what you're seeing is no chroma upscaling at all using NNEDI, vs. whatever load NGU puts on your GPU.

If that's the case, and you can't even run the less demanding algorithms for chroma upscaling, there must be other settings you're using that are maxing out your 1080Ti.
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nnedi3 works fine with nvidia 10xx cards.

if you have a problem with rendertimes post a OSD screen plz.
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Old 14th August 2017, 13:34   #44649  |  Link
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Hello madshi, I am wondering if you checked the mpv area these days.

There were a lot of huge improvements:

- Nnedi3 shaders based on MPDN ones are really faster than on madVR.
- Igv's single-pass AdaptiveSharpen variant is really better and faster than madVR one.
- Igv's SSimSuperRes variant based on MPDN one is totally destroying SuperRes upscale enhancer in madVR.
- Bjin's RAVU prescaler/doubler is easily 4x faster (test/ravu-r3-smoothtest1.hook) than NGU-AA High with same/better result.

I would like to know your opinion about it and see performance improvements in the next madVR build.

I tested your madCustomRes standalone application and it really works as expected.
I don't know what is the optimize button for, it would be great to explain.

EDIT: I am not trolling.

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Old 14th August 2017, 15:32   #44650  |  Link
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Hello madshi, I am wondering if you checked the mpv area these days.

There were a lot of huge improvements:

- Nnedi3 shaders based on MPDN ones are really faster than on madVR.
- Igv's single-pass AdaptiveSharpen variant is really better and faster than madVR one.
- Igv's SSimSuperRes variant based on MPDN one is totally destroying SuperRes upscale enhancer in madVR.
- Bjin's RAVU prescaler/doubler is easily 4x faster (test/ravu-r3-smoothtest1.hook) than NGU-AA High with same/better result.

I would like to know your opinion about it and see performance improvements in the next madVR build.

I tested your madCustomRes standalone application and it really works as expected.
I don't know what is the optimize button for, it would be great to explain.

EDIT: I am not trolling.
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With this pc
Cpu i5 3600
Ram 12 giga
Gt 730 with 2 giga video card
I would use codes and madVR to see SD to 1080p, 720 to 1080p and 1080p to 1080p on a 42 inch lcd led fulhd
Would i have a good result or the gt 730 is too weak to have good results?
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the GPU has about 700 gflops so basic stuff should work.
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Which filters to use for dvd to 1080p?
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if you have a problem with rendertimes post a OSD screen plz.
I have just used dropbox for the first time as they dont allow you to post images so eaily on this thread, I hope this works for you....

Im upscaling all my BDs to 4K and use the 1080Ti card.

I use NGU high for luma upscaling with low render times and without any dropped frames as long as I use Nnedi 128 or lower for chroma upscaling.

If I try to use NGU for chroma upscaling, or anything else except Nnedi 128, the render times go sky high plus frames are dropping like dead flies!

What do you think is going on here please, I am at my wits end trying to understand whats wrong????

I have tested this also on 1080p and the same thing happens...
Below is after playing on JRiver for approx 5mins...

No dropped frames with Chroma upscaling @ Nnedi128 & Luma upscaling with NGU sharp high
https://www.dropbox.com/home/madvr?p...s+(Medium).JPG

Many dropped frames and high rendering with Chroma upscaing on NGU and Luma upscaling on NGU sharp high
https://www.dropbox.com/home/madvr?p...PED+FRAMES.JPG

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I use NGU high for luma upscaling with low render times and without any dropped frames as long as I use Nnedi 128 or lower for chroma upscaling.
I can only contribute this: I have a 1080ti I bought specifically for Madvr (crazy I know) and it has no problem upscaling 1080p to 4k with luma NGU veryhigh, chroma NGU high, smoothmotion on, and crispen edges. No frame drops.

I would clear drivers with DDU, reinstall, reset Madvr, and recreate profiles.
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I also bought the 1080Ti card just for madvr only, but Ive never been able to use it for anything other than Nnedi128 chroma upscaling without high render times.
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Just be patient and let him work. Every minute he responds to you is a minute less he has to spend on madVR awesomeness.
Maybe if madshi would accept donations for madVR, he could devote more time to it's development.
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Maybe if madshi would accept donations for madVR, he could devote more time to it's development.
Madshi has mentioned many times over the years...

1) His real world job takes priority as it pays the bills.
2) He doesn't plan on taking donations until he hits at leas madVR 1.0. Even so, refer back to #1

He'll have something special for us all in a few day or weeks. Patience is needed.

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I would clear drivers with DDU, reinstall, reset Madvr, and recreate profiles.
Many thanks for that, we reinstalled the drivers and now I can finally use NGU for chroma upscaling.
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