MPC-HC v2.2.1 - Page 53

LigH · 27th August 2020, 14:21

Well - different project, different author. IIRC, it is closer related to MPC-BE than MPC-HC.

PCU · 27th August 2020, 14:29

it could be bundled with for example: install: madvr & mpc video renderer.
& what about haali video renderer? is it worth staying with mpc-hc?

LigH · 28th August 2020, 07:19

You mean, the installer retrieving (and registering) the latest releases from madshi's webspace or from Aleksoid1978's github releases on demand?

Haali is pretty obsolete today. The splitter got superseded by LAV Filters (only the AviSynth source filter may be interesting for an edge case), and I don't remember which advantage the renderer may have had once...

PCU · 28th August 2020, 10:58

Yes & Haali is dead & should be removed, & what about those old Logitech keyboards with lcds?
One more a bit off-topic question: How is such a thing possible that my GPU doesn't support DX12, but when I set my emulator's backend renderer to DX12, it runs it without any problem?
Is it possible that if in future devs developed a DX12 video renderer, my DX11 GPU can support it?

adipose · 29th August 2020, 03:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCU

it could be bundled with for example: install: madvr & mpc video renderer.
& what about haali video renderer? is it worth staying with mpc-hc?

Maybe ask k-lite to distribute them together. It's a different project but as it's open-source on github it wouldn't be that hard to build it along-side, I guess.

PCU · 29th August 2020, 08:32

First LAV Filters wasn't bundled with MPC-HC, but now it is. I think at least MPC Video Renderer is a must-have.

v0lt · 29th August 2020, 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCU

Yes & Haali is dead & should be removed

Haali VR gives a better picture than System Default, VMR-9w, Old VR and Overlay Mixer Renderer. Also Haali VR is better at reducing frame size than VMR-9r and EVR-CP.

PCU · 29th August 2020, 11:27

But most users don't use it & last update of Haali is 7 years ago!

v0lt · 29th August 2020, 11:46

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Originally Posted by PCU

But most users don't use it & last update of Haali is 7 years ago!

Haali VR hasn't messed up, and the rest of the video renderers (which I have listed) have not improved. Only the VMR-9r and EVR-CP were getting changes, but this did not solve the problem with frame reduction.

It is wrong to remove support by the date of the last update.

PCU · 29th August 2020, 12:35

What about MPC VR? does it have the same FR problem?

huhn · 29th August 2020, 12:38

it still works and as long as no work is needed to keep it working then there is no need to remove it.

a "discontinued/superseeded" could be added but that again is wasted dev time.

clsid · 29th August 2020, 14:27

There is no reason to remove support for any of the renderers. Haali VR is a good choice for old and low powered systems.

@v0lt
Are there any plans to add support to MPC VR for software scaling? That would be useful for situations where DXVA processing and Shader support are unavailable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCU

One more a bit off-topic question: How is such a thing possible that my GPU doesn't support DX12, but when I set my emulator's backend renderer to DX12, it runs it without any problem?
Is it possible that if in future devs developed a DX12 video renderer, my DX11 GPU can support it?

DirectX has the ability to use software rendering. So the DX12 functionality is being emulated on your system. DX12 has no benefits for video rendering.

PCU · 29th August 2020, 14:48

v0lt · 29th August 2020, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCU

What about MPC VR? does it have the same FR problem?

MPC VR has no problem with frame reduction. EVR-CP (in MPC-BE) also does not have this problem.

Download the Divers_-_Illustrated_London_News_Feb_6_1873-2.PNG picture (2939×3666) from Wikipedia and open it in windowed mode using the video renderers you are interested in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clsid

Are there any plans to add support to MPC VR for software scaling? That would be useful for situations where DXVA processing and Shader support are unavailable.

Not planned.

el Filou · 30th August 2020, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCU

One more a bit off-topic question: How is such a thing possible that my GPU doesn't support DX12, but when I set my emulator's backend renderer to DX12, it runs it without any problem?

There is the API, and then what MS calls "feature level". You GPU driver probably supports the DirectX 12 API, but at the Direct3D feature level "11_something".
You can check by running 'dxdiag'

PCU · 31st August 2020, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by el Filou

There is the API, and then what MS calls "feature level". You GPU driver probably supports the DirectX 12 API, but at the Direct3D feature level "11_something".
You can check by running 'dxdiag'

Runtime 12.0, HW 11.1

PCU · 7th September 2020, 11:09

MPC doesn't open any HEIF files, does this format supported by MPC?

clsid · 7th September 2020, 14:11

No. It does not support such image files.

PCU · 7th September 2020, 14:49

Why LAV Filters that is based on FFmpeg doesn't support it? Starting iOS 11 the default image format is HEIF & looks like JPEG is dead!

adipose · 8th September 2020, 03:06

Wikipedia: As of May 2020, no browser supports HEIC natively

If no browser supports it, I'm not sure a media player needs to. Windows 10 recently got support for the format.

https://github.com/nokiatech/heif may be useful in the future.

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	it could be bundled with for example: install: madvr & mpc video renderer. & what about haali video renderer? is it worth staying with mpc-hc? Last edited by PCU; 28th August 2020 at 01:41.

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LigH German doom9/Gleitz SuMo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany, rural Altmark Posts: 6,779	You mean, the installer retrieving (and registering) the latest releases from madshi's webspace or from Aleksoid1978's github releases on demand? Haali is pretty obsolete today. The splitter got superseded by LAV Filters (only the AviSynth source filter may be interesting for an edge case), and I don't remember which advantage the renderer may have had once... __________________ New German Gleitz board MediaFire: x264 \| x265 \| VPx \| AOM \| Xvid

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	Yes & Haali is dead & should be removed, & what about those old Logitech keyboards with lcds? One more a bit off-topic question: How is such a thing possible that my GPU doesn't support DX12, but when I set my emulator's backend renderer to DX12, it runs it without any problem? Is it possible that if in future devs developed a DX12 video renderer, my DX11 GPU can support it? Last edited by PCU; 28th August 2020 at 12:12.

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	First LAV Filters wasn't bundled with MPC-HC, but now it is. I think at least MPC Video Renderer is a must-have. Last edited by PCU; 29th August 2020 at 09:10.

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	But most users don't use it & last update of Haali is 7 years ago!

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	What about MPC VR? does it have the same FR problem?

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,921	it still works and as long as no work is needed to keep it working then there is no need to remove it. a "discontinued/superseeded" could be added but that again is wasted dev time.

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	MPC doesn't open any HEIF files, does this format supported by MPC?

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clsid ***** Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,647	No. It does not support such image files.

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PCU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 327	Why LAV Filters that is based on FFmpeg doesn't support it? Starting iOS 11 the default image format is HEIF & looks like JPEG is dead! Last edited by PCU; 7th September 2020 at 14:52.

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adipose Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 45	Heif Wikipedia: As of May 2020, no browser supports HEIC natively If no browser supports it, I'm not sure a media player needs to. Windows 10 recently got support for the format. https://github.com/nokiatech/heif may be useful in the future.

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