BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Used four dvds to make a new blu ray compilation through the Quick Play import in version 45.03. The menu will not play in PowerDVD 12, WinDVD 11, TMT 5 or TMT 6.

The individual m2ts files play ok in most players, including VLC, but the Arcsoft players don't do well with them even on an individual basis. Playback is jerky with them.

I'd start looking at settings etc. I've done a LOT of discs in testing and they all play fine.

[Kerry56]

Here is the log file:

[19:30:41] Importing DVD: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
 - Processing DVD title [1 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [2 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [3 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [4 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Creating Quick-Play Menu...
   - Encoding menu background...
   - Building menu structure...
[19:45:51] DVD import completed successfully.
----------------------
[11/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.45.03 (beta)
[19:50:11] Source:  BOURNE_TETRALOGY
  - Input BD size: 17.82 GB
  - Approximate total content: [07:57:10.718]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quick-Play Reauthoring mode enabled
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:50:11] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [19:50:11] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 4)
 - [19:50:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [19:53:23] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
 - [19:53:23] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [19:53:23] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [19:53:23] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [19:54:34] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 4)
 - [19:54:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
 - [19:57:41] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
 - [19:57:41] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [19:57:41] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [19:57:41] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [19:58:38] Processing: VID_00003 (3 of 4)
 - [19:58:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
 - [20:01:34] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
 - [20:01:34] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [20:01:34] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:01:34] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:02:32] Processing: VID_00004 (4 of 4)
 - [20:02:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
 - [20:05:45] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
 - [20:05:45] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [20:05:45] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:05:45] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:06:38]PHASE ONE complete
[20:06:38]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:06:38] Rebuilding BD file Structure
 - [20:06:38] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
   - Encoding menu background...
   - Building menu structure...
[20:06:44] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:06:44] JOB: BOURNE_TETRALOGY finished.

There is no re-encoding going on, just re-authoring to blu ray and building the menu.

All of the various players on my computer can play commercial blu ray, and blu ray created by Adobe Encore, Easy BD Lite or DVD2BD Express with no issues. I've done this same compilation before, using AVStoDVD to build an oversized dvd, then authored to blu ray in DVD2BD, and that one works fine.

[Sharc]

Will deselecting an item in the Quick-Play menu editor only remove the menu button, or will it also exclude (remove) the corresponding video file(s) from the authoring process?

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
When I open a Quick-Play authored BD (ROM) in BD-RB via "Browse" I can go to the Menu Editor and make changes to the Quick menu.
When I now press "Save and Continue" it looks as if my changes became effective and I can proceed with "Backup" without a warning. Because the modified titles.inf cannot be written to the ROM (as I understand it the modified titles.inf is not saved to anywhere in this case?) I suggest that there should be an error message or a hint that one has to IMPORT the BD ROM in order to make any changes to the menu.
Maybe this is just too obvious or I have missed something, but if something can go wrong it will ....

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

Will deselecting an item in the Quick-Play menu editor only remove the menu button, or will it also exclude (remove) the corresponding video file(s) from the authoring process?

It removes it from the authoring process completely.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

@jdobbs
When I open a Quick-Play authored BD (ROM) in BD-RB via "Browse" I can go to the Menu Editor and make changes to the Quick menu.
When I now press "Save and Continue" it looks as if my changes became effective and I can proceed with "Backup" without a warning. Because the modified titles.inf cannot be written to the ROM (as I understand it the modified titles.inf is not saved to anywhere in this case?) I suggest that there should be an error message or a hint that one has to IMPORT the BD ROM in order to make any changes to the menu.
Maybe this is just too obvious or I have missed something, but if something can go wrong it will ....

Because BD-RB can't write to the ROM the changes aren't saved. But they are kept in local memory and are used if you run the job before closing & reopening BD-RB. So if you edit, and then run immediately it should be ok.

I should probably give a warning, or possibly save the titles.inf file in the working folder until a new title is selected.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Here is the log file:

[19:30:41] Importing DVD: BOURNE_TETRALOGY
 - Processing DVD title [1 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [2 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [3 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Processing DVD title [4 of 4]
   - Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
   - Converting subtitles to BD format...
   - Multiplexing audio/video/subtitles...
 - Creating Quick-Play Menu...
   - Encoding menu background...
   - Building menu structure...
[19:45:51] DVD import completed successfully.
----------------------
[11/12/13] BD Rebuilder v0.45.03 (beta)
[19:50:11] Source:  BOURNE_TETRALOGY
  - Input BD size: 17.82 GB
  - Approximate total content: [07:57:10.718]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quick-Play Reauthoring mode enabled
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), CRF
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:50:11] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [19:50:11] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 4)
 - [19:50:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [19:53:23] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
 - [19:53:23] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [19:53:23] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [19:53:23] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [19:54:34] Processing: VID_00002 (2 of 4)
 - [19:54:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
 - [19:57:41] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
 - [19:57:41] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [19:57:41] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [19:57:41] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [19:58:38] Processing: VID_00003 (3 of 4)
 - [19:58:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
 - [20:01:34] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
 - [20:01:34] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [20:01:34] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:01:34] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:02:32] Processing: VID_00004 (4 of 4)
 - [20:02:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
 - [20:05:45] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
 - [20:05:45] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [20:05:45] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:05:45] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:06:38]PHASE ONE complete
[20:06:38]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:06:38] Rebuilding BD file Structure
 - [20:06:38] Creating Quick-Play Menu...
   - Encoding menu background...
   - Building menu structure...
[20:06:44] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:06:44] JOB: BOURNE_TETRALOGY finished.

There is no re-encoding going on, just re-authoring to blu ray and building the menu.

All of the various players on my computer can play commercial blu ray, and blu ray created by Adobe Encore, Easy BD Lite or DVD2BD Express with no issues. I've done this same compilation before, using AVStoDVD to build an oversized dvd, then authored to blu ray in DVD2BD, and that one works fine.

I've tested it in PowerDVD and four different brands of standalone players with no issues. Have you tried it on a standalone player? Software players just aren't a good test because they are so notorious for bugs. That's why I generally don't accept bug reports from software players. But, I do know the menu works with PowerDVD -- which is why I suggested that there may be something with your settings or the source. Can you run INSPECT and post the results?

One thing I know for sure is that the DVD source can't be MPEG-1 (because it isn't supported in BD). But MPEG-1 based DVDs are exceptionally rare -- and usually not commercial.

I'm not familiar with BOURNE_TETRALOGY. Is it just the BOURNE DVDs combined? If it's not too expensive I'll see if I can find it.

[Kerry56]

Bourne Tetralogy is my term for the four Bourne movies...The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Ultimatum and The Bourne Legacy. You won't find the complete set sold commercially under that name.

All four movies are bog standard mpeg2/ac3. All of the original files play in any player you want to try them in. All were ripped using AnyDVD HD.

Here is the Inspect snapshot you wanted:


I have not burned this to a disc to try in a stand alone player, but I use an HTPC rather than a blu ray player and getting access to one is a problem.

[jdobbs]

I have those on BD but now DVD. I don't want to have to buy all of them, but I'll pick up one or two of them and give it a try later today. If I'm luck I might find the older ones on the discount rack.

Did you try it more than once?

What happens when you try to play it? Nothing? Blank screen? Backdrop w/no titles? Titles w/no action?


@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Because BD-RB can't write to the ROM the changes aren't saved. But they are kept in local memory and are used if you run the job before closing & reopening BD-RB. So if you edit, and then run immediately it should be ok.
.....

Good to know, thanks. This is convenient.
Now it seems that the disk is getting fully reencoded even though it already fits the target and I only made changes to the Quick menu. I would assume that most of the .m2ts files could simply be copied (?). Is it because the files are no longer available in the WORKFILES folder?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

Good to know, thanks. This is convenient.
Now it seems that the disk is getting fully reencoded even though it already fits the target and I only made changes to the Quick menu. I would assume that most of the .m2ts files could simply be copied (?). Is it because the files are no longer available in the WORKFILES folder?

It's probably because it is multi-part and the one or more of the component files are referenced in another playlist.

That's something I have to work on.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

It's probably because it is multi-part and the one or more of the component files are referenced in another playlist.

That's something I have to work on.

I see. It is more complicated than I thought.
So for the time being when I see that it is getting re-encoded it is probably better to start from scratch, since the re-encoding of already encoded material will have a slightly negative impact on the final quality.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by Kerry56

I have not burned this to a disc to try in a stand alone player, but I use an HTPC rather than a blu ray player and getting access to one is a problem.

Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options when playing back BD-RB created backups.
I like testing on software players before burning to disc, but using the quick play menu creation in BD-RB appears to not be very compatible for this for me too!

And I am not really interested in buying anymore software players!

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options when playing back BD-RB created backups.
I like testing on software players before burning to disc, but using the quick play menu creation in BD-RB appears to not be very compatible for this for me too!

And I am not really interested in buying anymore software players!

My opinion is similar, but I would amend this to say "Unfortunately, HTPC and software players are not good options." and leave it at that. I could probably buy one of those packages and put workarounds into BD-RB to make it work with them... but I shouldn't have to.

If someone points out issues with a commercial standalone player, then I usually assume BD-RB has a problem.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

I see. It is more complicated than I thought.
So for the time being when I see that it is getting re-encoded it is probably better to start from scratch, since the re-encoding of already encoded material will have a slightly negative impact on the final quality.

I'm trying to figure out a way to scan for size across all references without adding an inordinate amount of time to the scan -- but that's difficult on sources that have a couple of hundred M2TS files that are referenced in a couple of hundred MPLSs. In the meantime BD-RB just says "Trying to investigate all these iterations is just too much work, the odds are good that I have to reencode -- so do it."

If you IMPORT rather than do a Quick-Play backup you'll never have cross referenced playlists -- but, you also lose multiple angles, language directed playlists, etc.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

Not with the menus as such (unless I messed something up with intermediate threshold changes).
However, I do experience random freeze during playback. It is not reproducible frame-accurate, and it depends on the playback sequence and switching sequence between chapters.
I suspected a bad burn, however it happens on 2 disks and I never had such effects before, so a bad burn seems a bit unlikely but I wouldn't totally exclude it.
I do my backups on BD9 rather than BD25, and I am not sure if my standalone (SONY BDP-S360) has issues in general with blu-ray structure with menus on BD9. I never had problems with Movie Only backups, and those few which I have done with "Movie and Menu" were normally ok with very few exceptions.
I need to do more tests, so just in case someone else has experienced occasional freezing as well ....

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

Not with the menus as such (unless I messed something up with intermediate threshold changes).
However, I do experience random freeze during playback. It is not reproducible frame-accurate, and it depends on the playback sequence and switching sequence between chapters.
I suspected a bad burn, however it happens on 2 disks and I never had such effects before, so a bad burn seems a bit unlikely but I wouldn't totally exclude it.
I do my backups on BD9 rather than BD25, and I am not sure if my standalone (SONY BDP-S360) has issues in general with blu-ray structure with menus on BD9. I never had problems with Movie Only backups, and those few which I have done with "Movie and Menu" were normally ok with very few exceptions.
I need to do more tests, so just in case someone else has experienced occasional freezing as well ....

A random freeze during playback sounds more like media issues. Also, all muxing is done by TSMUXER (whether movie-only or full backup) and it does it exactly the same way in Quick-Play as it does with movie-only or full backup. So if there was an issue it wouldn't be related to Quick-Play or the menus.

My BDP-S360 does a pretty good job with BD-9 -- the only issue I remember having is with backups containing DTS Express on secondary tracks.

Hmm... I just remembered something though. When I use an original BD disc's video for a menu backdrop, I keep it intact. That could be an issue for a BD-5/9 because of the bitrate... I'd better look at that.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

A random freeze during playback sounds more like media issues. Also, all muxing is done by TSMUXER (whether movie-only or full backup) and it does it exactly the same way in Quick-Play as it does with movie-only or full backup. So if there was an issue it wouldn't be related to Quick-Play or the menus.

My BDP-S360 does a pretty good job with BD-9 -- the only issue I remember having is with backups containing DTS Express on secondary tracks.

My thoughts. The medium is definitely a candidate, or burner or reader (standalone) approaching end of life.
Good to know that S360 is fine with BD-9.

[setarip_old]

Using BD-RB v.0.44.16.

Trying to make a BD9 (including only English streams) of Disc 1 of "Man of Steel". Smallest size I'm able to create is 10.8Gb.

Are there any hidden or other default settings that need to be selected or deselected to allow for further compression?

[Kerry56]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I have those on BD but now DVD. I don't want to have to buy all of them, but I'll pick up one or two of them and give it a try later today. If I'm luck I might find the older ones on the discount rack.

Did you try it more than once?

What happens when you try to play it? Nothing? Blank screen? Backdrop w/no titles? Titles w/no action?


@ALL
Is anyone having any problems playing back Quick-Play menus on a standalone (real) Blu-ray player?

The blu ray movie output using the Quick play menu does different things in different software players. In the Arcsoft programs, the players try to start but hang up, and I have to use Ctl Alt Del to shut them down. There is no sign of the menu, just a blank screen. WinDVD and PowerDVD simply say that it is incompatible media.

I have tried recompiling it, but no change in the way the software players work with it. I also tried making an ISO with ImgBurn and mounting that, but again, there is no difference in the way the players react.

I'll try again using blu ray sources and see if there are any differences in the behavior of the software players.