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17th September 2017, 15:46 | #45681 | Link |
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aufkrawall please check the same frame in EVR not EVR CP.
i'm now pretty sure that there is a bug in madVR DXVA handling. just look a little bit closer we have the same chroma sub pixel offset as with DXVA chroma scaling. never forget that nvidia, intel and amd are using frame adaptive deinterlancer so if you just jump to a frame it will not work properly. |
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also look closer on the very fine details the guitar strings especially they get reconstructed very nicely very precise yadif looses them a little bit aliased yes but not vaporized depending on the output device distance and overal setup to it the aliasing would slowly vanish you shouldn't really percept it that much any more in motion but chances are high you gonna still percept the finer details rather unknowingly in motion And as Huhn said that extreme aliasing result looks overall strange to begin with for Nvidias Temporal Deinterlacer when the output is right
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In any case i skipped madVR here and went for EVR. Both tests were used with "Go To". YADIF: AMD: |
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i wonder why the YADIF frame shows interlancing lines. i'm not shocked that amd deinterlancer shows the interlancing it is not made for one frame. after a couple of frames i'm not a fan of this file i found frames where the chroma channel doesn't match the luma channel. @aufkrawall this is my 480 nvidia frame without goto: https://abload.de/img/480mesbt.png using goto to test a frame adaptive deinterlancer is a viable. |
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Because a lossy compression of a video makes any comparison of fine details null and void.
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it should be able to capture what happens on the strings even with Nvidias and AMDs Encoder setup and you don't need to capture lossy at all it just the easiest way any avg joe can do it these days pre integrated unless it's a secured dxva path that displays it
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If only my keyboard had a pause/break button (logitech k810). Will try to figure it out.
A bit more digging and I found this behaviour. I have launch files in full screen enabled in mpc-hc. A double click on an mkv launches mpc-hc in full screen and everything stays paused. FSE on or off doesn't make a difference. However, if I open the file from within mpc, it doesn't go into full screen on its own and the file plays. Going into full screen keeps the video going, but on exit full screen, video pauses again. |
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and catching the same frame get's even harder this way and so many other problems and stuff that can go wrong... |
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17th September 2017, 17:05 | #45695 | Link |
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So here is the result in motion without using "Go To"
AMD: So how does it compare to NVidia? By the looks of it AMD Deinterlacing is better. Or someone sees something that i don't? Especially on the parts that i marked, this is @huhn sceenshot with NVidia, on the one that i uploaded here AMD does a slightly better job with the lines. P.S Don't try to compare based on the marked screencap, try to compare the original screen capture of Huhn. Last edited by Kotik; 17th September 2017 at 17:24. |
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not the same frame and nearly for sure not the same chroma scaler.
and even with 2 identical frames you can't say deinterlancer X is in general better because it could fail in other situations. aufkrawall yadif: http://abload.de/img/yadifpvu8p.png mine nvdia DXVA: https://abload.de/img/480mesbt.png DXVA deinterlancing has an offest in the chroma here so it is chroma bleeding quite hard but as far as i can see line handling is a lot better with DXVA on this image. not sure how YADIF works maybe it needs multiply frames too so this could be a worthless frame too. |
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