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Old 11th June 2017, 03:44   #25981  |  Link
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Actually, one can tell quickly by looking at it. You have to separate the fields and step through by field.
The video editing software that I have does not allow stepping through by fields, only frames. At first glance it looks like a video that was produced @ 59.94 fields a second.

Hell, I don't even think that Adobe Premiere allows field stepping. It never did when i was using it way back when.

And what makes you think that you do not have misconceptions?
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Old 11th June 2017, 05:01   #25982  |  Link
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As pointed out,
Then why point to it again?

I decided to use IVTC_1080i=1 because I wanted to confirm something for myself. Weird stuff and all that is possible. I disabled all SUP. This is what happened.

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[06/10/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[16:12:38] Source:  MONTY_PYTHON_D2
  - Input BD size: 42.62 GB
  - Approximate total content: [04:05:23.675]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE and MENUS mode enabled
  - Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25+), Two Pass
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[16:12:40] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [16:12:40] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 39)
 - [16:12:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [16:14:56] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 97,163 frames
   - Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
   - Bitrate: 11,287 Kbs
 - [16:14:56] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
 - [16:14:56] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
 - [16:48:26] Video Encode complete
 - [16:48:26] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [16:48:31] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [16:49:39] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 39)
 - [16:49:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [16:52:05] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 90,158 frames
   - Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
   - Bitrate: 11,302 Kbs
 - [16:52:05] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
 - [16:52:05] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
 - [17:21:13] Video Encode complete
 - [17:21:13] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [17:21:19] Multiplexing M2TS
 
 [...]

 - [19:09:50] Processing: VID_00083 (39 of 39)
 - [19:09:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00083]
 - [19:09:55] Reencoding video [VID_00083]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 98 frames
   - Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
   - Bitrate: 1,895 Kbs
 - [19:09:55] Reencoding: VID_00083, Pass 1 of 2
 - [19:09:55] Reencoding: VID_00083, Pass 2 of 2
 - [19:09:58] Video Encode complete
 - [19:09:58] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
 - [19:09:58] Multiplexing M2TS
[19:10:02]PHASE ONE complete
[19:10:02]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [19:10:02] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[19:10:05] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[19:10:05] JOB: MONTY_PYTHON_D2 finished.
Then the only change is, enabled all English...SUP.

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[06/10/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[20:23:17] Source:  MONTY_PYTHON_D2
  - Input BD size: 42.62 GB
  - Approximate total content: [04:05:23.675]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE and MENUS mode enabled
  - Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25+), Two Pass
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [3-way]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[20:23:19] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:23:19] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 39)
 - [20:23:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [20:25:35] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 97,163 frames
   - Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
   - Bitrate: 11,287 Kbs
 - [20:25:35] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
 - [20:25:36] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
 - [20:58:59] Video Encode complete
 - [20:58:59] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:59:05] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:59:05] CreateBDFiles() 00063  2004
[20:59:23]PHASE ONE aborted by user request
All files look to be there and all sizes look to be valid.
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Old 11th June 2017, 08:40   #25983  |  Link
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I decided to use IVTC_1080i=1 because I wanted to confirm something for myself. Weird stuff and all that is possible. I disabled all SUP. This is what happened..............
So it looks like the subtitles caused the conflict with the falsely (your experimentally) applied IVTC which changed the framerate of the video (decimation).
Anyway, I understand when you run BD RB with its default settings all is ok, right?

As a sidenote, if the BBC original was produced as 25i there is actually no need to convert it to 29.97i because 25i is perfectly blu-ray compliant even when upscaled to 1080i. So I wonder how the movie "benefited" from this unnecessary framerate conversion. But apparently the industry still locks some blu-ray players from playing 25 fps material. Oh well .....
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Old 11th June 2017, 09:02   #25984  |  Link
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The video editing software that I have does not allow stepping through by fields, only frames.
MrVideo does not know about Avisynth and VirtualDub.

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Old 11th June 2017, 11:14   #25985  |  Link
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Just to mention shekh's VirtualDub FilterMod based on 1.10.5 with some very useful extensions, e.g. wrt. video formats
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdfiltermod/
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Old 11th June 2017, 12:41   #25986  |  Link
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I do not know what the exact settings for TFM() would be to restore this video. If you have them, I'd like to try it in order to see the results.
It's as simple as this for this clip:
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TFM()
alternatively, you may also want to try
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telecide()
or in case you are using DGDecNV
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DGTelecide()

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Old 11th June 2017, 15:47   #25987  |  Link
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As a sidenote, if the BBC original was produced as 25i there is actually no need to convert it to 29.97i because 25i is perfectly blu-ray compliant even when upscaled to 1080i. So I wonder how the movie "benefited" from this unnecessary framerate conversion. But apparently the industry still locks some blu-ray players from playing 25 fps material. Oh well .....
AFAIK, this was a 1080 production, not 576 upscaled to 1080.

I do not know of any Blu-ray players that are locked from playing 25 fps material. That said, I've not researched it either. I buy Samsung players. There are some monitors that do not, so that can cause an issue. But, pretty much anything these days will handle 25 fps material. That still doesn't stop the companies that release material that was originally 25 fps as 29.97 fps for the U.S. That is why I buy the U.K. releases so that I can keep the original frame rate.
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MrVideo does not know about Avisynth and VirtualDub.
I just haven't used that combo in years. Never thought to use it in this case. I should have suspected something fishy as to why that video was being offered up for inspection.
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Just to mention shekh's VirtualDub FilterMod based on 1.10.5 with some very useful extensions, e.g. wrt. video formats
Thanks, I've downloaded it. I hoping it can deal with H.264/4.2.2 video. CBS/CW network is now in the process of changing over their network feeds from MPEG2/4.2.2 to H.264/4.2.2. I can view the video with VLC, but can't currently edit and convert to H.264/4.2.0.
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It's as simple as this for this clip:
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[...]
I thought that not having any options (other than the defaults), was too easy. So, I asked.
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CBS/CW network is now in the process of changing over their network feeds from MPEG2/4.2.2 to H.264/4.2.2.
Please cite your source for this. Thank you. Are you possibly confusing internal feeds with what is actually broadcasted? If you are talking about internal feeds, it's hardly relevant to the average person capturing video from a broadcast.

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I can view the video with VLC, but can't currently edit and convert to H.264/4.2.0.
I suppose again you never thought to use Avisynth with an appropriate source filter.

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I just haven't used that combo in years. Never thought to use it in this case.....
How could you survive in the video world without these?
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Thanks, I've downloaded it. I hoping it can deal with H.264/4.2.2 video.....
Menu Video/Decode format .....
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Simply cropping the first field will also match the fields on that sample, because the field shift is constant throughout.
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Please cite your source for this. Thank you. Are you possibly confusing internal feeds with what is actually broadcasted?
Key words: network feeds.

This means the satellite transmission from NY to the affiliates. I receive those feeds on my 12' BUD. Yes, it has a limited scope of users.
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I suppose again you never thought to use Avisynth with an appropriate source filter.
The nVidia card that I have doesn't support H.264/4.2.2, so I can't frame serve it to AVISynth via DGDecNV.
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How could you survive in the video world without these?
Ever heard of VideoReDo?
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I can't frame serve it to AVISynth via DGDecNV.
There are other source filters.
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There are other source filters.
I've never needed to have to look into them before. If you have any suggestions, please pass them along.
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If you have any suggestions, please pass them along.
Take up knitting?
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Take up knitting?
I guess I needed to be more specific in my request.
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