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Old 19th February 2019, 11:23   #54821  |  Link
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yah, seems to be the same error. I will do some test and report back...
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Old 19th February 2019, 13:44   #54822  |  Link
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Google Panasonic IPS light modulation layer.

This technology is already available, it's only used in the Eizo Reference HDR monitor right now, CG3145. $30,000 msrp, $45,000 street price, (highly in demand)

But this tech vastly surpasses OLED's capabilities, because it will EVENTUALLY allow for Backlight blink motion blur reduction. (ULMB)

OLED can not possibly match the motion clarity once that is implemented.

Hisense and TCL also have a variant of this light modulation layer tech using VA-panel. They will be introducing it under their ULED lines in a short while.
Yeah, thanks to you and nevcariel I arrived at that product... what can I say? I think your forecast of three years is wildly optimistic. But I obviously hope you are right.
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Old 19th February 2019, 13:46   #54823  |  Link
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Thank you so in simple terms, do I select DCI-P3 or BT2020 in madVR calibration setting for my JVC x9900 projector? thank you

PS: I am using madVR pixel shader option not passthrough.. so I am doing HDR to SDR via pixel shaders
Either DCI-P3 or BT.2020 could work. If you are seeing a significant difference between the two, one or the other may not be working correctly.

There could be a couple of reasons:

- The projector is misinterpreting DCI-P3 or BT.2020. It may not recognize a DCI-P3 source, so it would more likely be DCI-P3. HDR content is supposed to report BT.2020 to the projector because that is dictated by the HDR specification standard. You own an AMD GPU, so you can't check report BT.2020 to the display to make DCI-P3 appear as BT.2020.

- The AMD video driver is causing over or undersaturation with DCI-P3 or BT.2020.

I would test SDR BT.709 content and see if it looks accurate. The colors should look natural without any oversaturation. To test accuracy, also try setting both madVR and the projector to BT.709 and play some SDR BT.709 content.
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Old 19th February 2019, 13:51   #54824  |  Link
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Even though I can afford NGU, to be honest, I still prefer the ReconSoft+JincAR combo, quality-wise. It preserves the original picture far better to my eye. And when source artifacts are a problem, RCA is just the tool for the job, regardless of the upscaler.

It might be different for extreme cases like upscaling 480p to 4K, though. Haven't had anything like that to watch in a while.
And, NGU Sharp vs Jinc produces very different black levels too @ 23.976 (on my rig anyway)...

Test file here for anyone interested in comparing...

https://ufile.io/1vy8u
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Old 19th February 2019, 14:08   #54825  |  Link
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And, NGU Sharp vs Jinc produces very different black levels too @ 23.976 (on my rig anyway)...

Test file here for anyone interested in comparing...

https://www.justbeamit.com/9vsmz
Link is down mate ?
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Old 19th February 2019, 14:14   #54826  |  Link
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Link is down mate ?
Yes, it seems down...
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Old 19th February 2019, 14:18   #54827  |  Link
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Link is down mate ?
Link updated
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Old 19th February 2019, 14:19   #54828  |  Link
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Yes, it seems down...
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Yeah working now, well I use Jinc for upscaling Chroma to 2160p, but I still see 18 Flashing faintly which is as good as I could get it with this TV.

What scaler are you saying there is issues with ?
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Yeah working now, well I use Jinc for upscaling Chroma to 2160p, but I still see 18 Flashing faintly which is as good as I could get it with this TV.

What scaler are you saying there is issues with ?
1080p material (and below) scaled to 4k - NGU sharp Luma produces very different black levels, hence sharing the link for people to test on their setup, if they want to.
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1080p material (and below) scaled to 4k - NGU sharp Luma produces very different black levels, hence sharing the link for people to test on their setup, if they want to.
Ah ok but better or worse, tried NGU and I can not see a difference tbh, the numbers stayed the same as far as I can tell.
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Ah ok but better or worse, tried NGU and I can not see a difference tbh, the numbers stayed the same as far as I can tell.
There are about 3 points difference on my rig, so I seem to be getting better blacks with Jinc, again, could just be my setup.

Update- compared both again on the fly again and the difference is way more that 3 on the black clipping test.
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There are about 3 points difference on my rig, so I seem to be getting better blacks with Jinc, again, could just be my setup.

Update- compared both again on the fly again and the difference is way more that 3 on the black clipping test.
This is what I get

https://imgur.com/a/S6KyraL
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This is what I get

https://imgur.com/a/S6KyraL
Do you get any difference between NGU and Jinc on the clipping test at 23p (upscaling Luma to 4k)? My chain is Full-Full-Full RGB Range.
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Do you get any difference between NGU and Jinc on the clipping test at 23p (upscaling Luma to 4k)?
No both look the same to me.

Yeah all on Full here as well.

I would have thought more would have mentioned in the past, maybe others can confirm.
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No both look the same to me.
Odd. Ok, thanks for looking anyway.
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Odd. Ok, thanks for looking anyway.
oldpainlesskodi, what did you calibrate your monitor with, I had similar black lvl problems when I used a spyder5, I've since switched to i1dp, and black lvl issues are gone.
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Old 19th February 2019, 15:37   #54838  |  Link
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Yeah, thanks to you and nevcariel I arrived at that product... what can I say? I think your forecast of three years is wildly optimistic. But I obviously hope you are right.
China moves FAST.. and this is not all new tooling like the development of OLED.

It's all done on Existing va/ips- panel machines.

20,000:1, here we come..

(TBH, 5000:1 VA already looks pretty good, unless the room is pitch black)
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oldpainlesskodi, what did you calibrate your monitor with, I had similar black lvl problems when I used a spyder5, I've since switched to i1dp, and black lvl issues are gone.
A dark room, my eyes, and, lots of coffee....lots of coffee lol.

It's not so much which one is correct, but with the same TV settings, I get very different Black levels between NGU and Jinc.
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Old 19th February 2019, 16:47   #54840  |  Link
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Does any one use madvr with amd?? If so what is the usage of cpu and gpu(in tools like core temp and gpuz, not in task manager). I believe that cpu takes an amount of load from the gpu in decoding and so multiplier never goes under x35. Gpu has an amount of load but not that much as I remember some time ago. Gpu clock is aroung 500mhz and cpu 3500 when playing a movie. I believe this is weird.
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