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Old 16th September 2015, 13:34   #32941  |  Link
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The Fury Nano has 8.2 TFlops@185W TDP.
I could imagine that the theoretical computing performance is not unimportant for NNEDI3 or SuperRes.
However, it's not actually proven yet, so I might be wrong.
I'm avoiding the Nano for a few reasons - Noticeable coil whine, ridiculous price in line with a Ti or Fury X and no HDMI 2.0.

I've never had an Nvidia card but Maxwell has really made me want to change. Problem is i'm very late to the party.

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Hm, I don't think there's much of a difference between 980 and 970. Also 970 can do 1080p30 -> 4k with 64 neurons and 980 still can't do 1080p60 -> 4k 64 neurons.
I think someone here with a 980 Ti wrote that it would be possible. But probably even Adaptive Sharpen on top of that would be too much again.
Hmm. I've been eyeing those two cards for a while and I know the 980 is only about 15%~ better with a 40%~ price hike, but I thought it'd be a lot better with MadVR. The only other reason I hesitated with a 970 was the coil whine. I know it can happen with any card, but from the number of reviews and customer feedback i've read the 970's and the Nano seem to suffer from it more than others.

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This happened last generation too. The mid range cards are newer chips.
Pascal is going to be a big deal so expect at least twice the performance, it's due mid next year, so it's not that far off.
Best to wait then? I'm a bit bad when I get an itch to upgrade, I end up doing it without really thinking it through. I did the same with an X99 system just four months ago fully well knowing Skylake was just around the corner, but thankfully that's one upgrade I don't regret.

I guess for the time being i'll just have to tweak my MadVR settings to go easy on the GPU and wait for next year. I'll read up the MikeJung Wiki guide for easy tweaking.

Don't think a 960 is much of a jump from my 270x tbh.
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Old 16th September 2015, 13:49   #32942  |  Link
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I'm avoiding the Nano for a few reasons - Noticeable coil whine, ridiculous price in line with a Ti or Fury X and no HDMI 2.0.
Yeah, these are good reasons.

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Hmm. I've been eyeing those two cards for a while and I know the 980 is only about 15%~ better with a 40%~ price hike, but I thought it'd be a lot better with MadVR. The only other reason I hesitated with a 970 was the coil whine. I know it can happen with any card, but from the number of reviews and customer feedback i've read the 970's and the Nano seem to suffer from it more than others.
I don't think that coil whine is a huge issue for madVR. It usually gets loudest when there is very high GPU load or very high fps.
I had a MSI 970 Gaming and coil whine in madVR was mainly only an issue because I used a custom fan curve which made the fans almost totally silent, even under high load.
Coil whine is there, but I think you must be sitting really close to the card to get annoyed by it while watching a movie.

I wouldn't reommend to buy the MSI 980 Gaming for madVR, its second fan runs with much higher rpm than the first one and can't be controlled well via software like Afterburner.
The card may seem tempting, since newer MSI cards than the 970 Gaming usually seem to be excellent regarding low coil whine, but the fan issue of the 980 is a real game breaker.

According to user reports, it's possible again with the 980 Ti Gaming to fully control both fans again via software.

I think you should either wait or buy a GTX 970, if it's not for gaming (because of the crippled VRAM which I personally call fraud by Nvidia). The MSI 970 Gaming is really ultra-silent with custom fan curve, apart from some coil whine, and quite powerful for madVR.
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Old 16th September 2015, 14:13   #32943  |  Link
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But I'd wait first and see if the fix for NNEDI3 NV will also fix the PCIe copyback issue with it on AMD.
I thought we've already established that it does some time ago now?
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Old 16th September 2015, 14:25   #32944  |  Link
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Yes, but don't sell the trophies before the hunt is done (may not be the exact idiom, but very close to it ).
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Old 16th September 2015, 16:15   #32945  |  Link
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Hmm. I've been eyeing those two cards for a while and I know the 980 is only about 15%~ better with a 40%~ price hike, but I thought it'd be a lot better with MadVR.
madVR is very similar to normal games. My overclocked 980 Ti (1354 Mhz) can do NNEDI3 64 1080p doubling to 4K (<30ms) but not with many other slow options.
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Old 16th September 2015, 16:15   #32946  |  Link
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Did you try 60fps video?
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Old 16th September 2015, 17:26   #32947  |  Link
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Did you try 60fps video?
Oops, I actually mis-reported.

980Ti @ 1354 MHz, Driver 353.30, Win10 x64.

NNEDI3 128 1080p -> 4K: 30.5 ms (Jinc Chroma)
NNEDI3 64 1080p -> 4K : 28.6 ms (NNEDI3 64 Chroma)
NNEDI3 32 1080p -> 4K : 13.7 ms (Jinc Chroma)

I did not try 60 fps video, these times were measured with 24 fps video but it should be fast enough for NNEDI3 32 doubling 1080p60 to 4K.

These times also include downscaling with Catmull-Rom AR+LL to 2560x1440.

Image upscaling is set to Jinc AR (it is used for chroma doubling). No trade quality for performance options. DX11 with present a frame for every VSync checked. Nothing checked in artifact removal, image enhancements, or upscaling refinement. Smooth motion Off. Ordered Dithering.
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Old 17th September 2015, 04:26   #32948  |  Link
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Oops, I actually mis-reported.

980Ti @ 1354 MHz, Driver 353.30, Win10 x64.

NNEDI3 128 1080p -> 4K: 30.5 ms (Jinc Chroma)
NNEDI3 64 1080p -> 4K : 28.6 ms (NNEDI3 64 Chroma)
NNEDI3 32 1080p -> 4K : 13.7 ms (Jinc Chroma)

I did not try 60 fps video, these times were measured with 24 fps video but it should be fast enough for NNEDI3 32 doubling 1080p60 to 4K.

These times also include downscaling with Catmull-Rom AR+LL to 2560x1440.

Image upscaling is set to Jinc AR (it is used for chroma doubling). No trade quality for performance options. DX11 with present a frame for every VSync checked. Nothing checked in artifact removal, image enhancements, or upscaling refinement. Smooth motion Off. Ordered Dithering.
can you try 1080 to 4k nnedi3 32 + default super res, and dump every other setting (except 3dlut and deband)
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Old 17th September 2015, 06:16   #32949  |  Link
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can you try 1080 to 4k nnedi3 32 + default super res, and dump every other setting (except 3dlut and deband)
I ended up testing more options. I hope it helps a few people.

980Ti G1 doing 1080p24 -> 4K -> 2560x1440
(Win10 x64, 353.30)

debanding ON:Low/High
3DLUT enabled
chroma upscaling: CR+AR
image downscaling: CR+AR+LL
image upscaling: Jinc+AR
upscaling refinement: SuperRes 1/0.66
Smooth motion off
ordered dithering
no trade quality for performance

1) Luma doubling NNEDI3 128: 32.6 ms (1468 MHz, 75% usage)
2) Luma doubling NNEDI3 128: 36.3 ms (1290 MHz, 85% usage)
3) Luma doubling NNEDI3 64 : 24.0 ms (1316 MHz, 56% usage)
4) Luma doubling NNEDI3 32 : 18.1 ms (1316 MHz, 41% usage)

image upscaling: CR+AR instead of Jinc+AR

5) Luma doubling NNEDI3 32 : 16.9 ms (1316 MHz, 38% usage)
6) Luma doubling NNEDI3 32 : 15.7 ms (1468 MHz, 35% usage)
7) Luma doubling NNEDI3 128: 34.3 ms (1290 MHz, 81% usage)
8) Luma doubling NNEDI3 128: 31.3 ms (1468 MHz, 72% usage)

without SuperRes:
9) Luma doubling NNEDI3 128: 28.0 ms (1468 MHz, 65% usage)

Using a 1080p60 source:

The rendering times are the same as with a 24 fps source.

Setting 5 drops frames (1290 MHz, 93% usage)
Setting 6 has no dropped frames (1468 MHz, 84% usage)

1316 v.s. 1290 MHz is due to throttling when load keeps it above 66°C and it is not overclocked.
I am using a custom BIOS on this G1, it is slightly down-volted. The normal stock G1 runs at 1341 MHz when throttling due to temperature.

Sorry for the lack of a 4K display. I hope the data set makes sense.
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Old 17th September 2015, 10:28   #32950  |  Link
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Thanks guys. I've decided i'm going to wait till Pascal arrives to reap the benefits of 4K. No point spending a fortune on a card now if even the best card is still handicapped on the higher settings.
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Old 17th September 2015, 12:29   #32951  |  Link
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HBM2, likely hardware scheduling for Async Compute (or fine-grained software pre-emption, eitherway), big improvements in FP16 performance, likely better Direct3D 12 support (more full-heap support for resources and likely better Conservative Rasterization support), generational improvements, possible HDMI 2.0a support, likely DisplayPort 1.2a support (G-SYNC 2.0 likely, current G-SYNC may not be sustainable), better VR support, possible VP9 hardware decoding (and full HEVC decoding across the entire lineup) and many more possibilities (wish there were more definitive statements on what to expect with Pascal) should make the next-generation Pascal cards a huge step-up, and a solid improvement platform wise. Also, 14/16nm should also provide big generational improvements. Absolutely worth waiting for. Buying a 950 might help hold-over until then however. Really cannot wait

Great work on madVR 0.89 madishi. New option to prevent upscaling when the difference is only 5-6 pixels helped reduce power-consumption for some videos big-time, thankyou. Any news on when the Chroma SuperRes will be updated to the newer code/algorithm?
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Old 18th September 2015, 14:30   #32952  |  Link
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Which subtitle renderer are you using?
The built-in subtitle renderer

Also, starting with madVR v0.88.9, when I Save Image in windowed mode, if the size of the window is smaller than the original size of the video, the size of snapshots equals the size of the resized video, not the original size. It's not the case in the fullscreen mode or any previous version of madVR
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Old 18th September 2015, 18:37   #32953  |  Link
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Whoa.

I reinstalled Potplayer today and MadVR and my videos are appearing massively zoomed in, crashing my PC.

Is this some sort of setting in MadVR I need to disable? Both options on Zoom control are unticked and all three boxes for upscaling refinment are unticked.
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Old 18th September 2015, 18:56   #32954  |  Link
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That's my fault, sorry about that, should hopefully be fixed in the next build.
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Old 18th September 2015, 20:16   #32955  |  Link
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Problem:

Switching between 1080i and 576i channels often results in madVR totally getting stuck (picture freeze). Log attached... it happened in last switch from 1080i to 576i.

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Old 18th September 2015, 23:11   #32956  |  Link
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Hi Madshi! We miss you so much. We can't live without you
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Hi Madshi! We miss you so much. We can't live without you
First good LOL of the day. Tnx.
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Old 19th September 2015, 03:26   #32958  |  Link
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@madshi

- Could you upgrade adaptive sharpen and super-res?
- Is it possible to make device modes like in kodi, just an on/off button?
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Waiting for nnedi3 workout for win10 with nvidia cards
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Old 19th September 2015, 19:56   #32960  |  Link
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Win 10 have nothing to do with nnedi3.

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