BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Capsbackup]

Well I just backed up Casino Royale, NTSC with partial success. I chose BD-5, full movie backup, and the rest at default settings. A polite warning was issued that there was considerable content for a BD-5 backup (cool feature/reminder just in case you forget to set/change from previous encode!) I chose to continue knowing well that this was just a test for all features and menu's to work correctly. BD-RB completed successfully, 4.20GB and I burned to DVD+RW Verbatim with ImgBurn. Playback is on a Sony BDP-BX1.
After intro warnings, etc.. it starts to play the motion menu but there is no sound and the video pauses/becomes a still image. However I can select thru the menu to all features, so all buttons are working, just no sound or motion menu. Not even does the counter report a time code. So I select play, and the movie starts and plays perfectly with suprisingly good quality for such a serious reduction. Audio has noticeable increased volume, rather than the lower volume of normal AC3 conversions I was use to with DVD ( cool!! ). Chapter selection has no problems and FF/RW works great. When selecting the "Play All" feature in the Special Features menu, only the 1st of 3 plays correctly. At the 2nd chapter the video does not display but the audio is heard and plays, as is the same for chapter 3 when it starts, it has audio only too. However, if I select each clip individually thru the menu, all play fine, with each returning to the menu after completing. It appears just the "Play All" feature is not working properly.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by turbojet

Could you post a link to a sample here and/or in the ffdshow thread?

Here we go:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f...db6fb9a8902bda

[MikeyBK]

Originally Posted by Sharc

Resuming an encode after PC shutdown did not work. I have to start from scratch.
Resuming worked when I aborted an encode in progress, but without shutting the PC down.

We had a power outage here, and I was right in the middle of a full disc encoding, and I wasn't home to shut down the PC before the UPS kicked off... but when the power came back on this morning and I rebooted back up, BD-RB informed me that the project wasn't finished and if I'd like to continue..... and that's what I'm doing right now.

So not sure why it didn't pick up where you left off on your system? Will give feed back if the full disc BD-9 has problems due to this power outage...

[LowDead]

My first test was Full backup of the new Narnia. I was going for BD25 and all wasd going smooth until I encountered an error due to faulty decoders. I updated to the newest ffdshow, rebooted and continued from were I left off. Now it didn't complain about anything and were able to finish without errors.

When tested in my PS3 it played fine until the menu which had no video in it, just the buttons. Started the movie and noticed that there was DD instead of DTS (made selection in setup not to reencode any audio tracks). Went back to check again in settings tab and found out that the settings did not save when exit the app. Ok, back to the movie. Pop up menu worked fine and to all suprise when I pressed top menu on remote it worked with background video and all why not the first time?? Also i checked the subtitles and all was there but some had switched places, for eg. it was Dutch text when choosing Portugues.

//LD

Seems the subs have "moved up" due to removing an english commentary subs and thats why the languages don't match.
And it behaves exactly the same with menu on computer using PowerDVD..

[ron spencer]

well after one day Wall-E was done (just have Pentium D). I had to use txmuxer to join the MOVIE ONLY m2ts together as this movie branches and BD Rebuilder does not parse the playlist files yet. So it took my input and converted all ok...although the AC3 was 448 bitrate instead of 664, which is what BR is supposed to be I think.

Result? Well it looks real good on single layer DVD, although in dark scenes it does not hold up to quality as original blu ray...fast scenes ok...so I guess just dark areas not as good on my 50" samsung plasma. This was movie only as I think full backups will really impede video quality, but that is just in my eye.

looks good!!!

[BobZhome]

I did a movie only backup of Transformers 2007 1080p Blu-Ray EUR with no problems, looked great.

When I went to do a full backup, BD-Rebuilder v0.19.11 gave me a "Target is to small to continue" error, right when I hit the backup button.

the Blu-ray is 46 gigs:

11/09/2008  02:51 PM        52,887,552 00000.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:52 PM    45,523,974,144 00010.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:51 PM       108,214,272 00011.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:49 PM        92,338,176 00012.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:49 PM       118,044,672 00013.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           221,184 00018.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM            36,864 00021.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM            36,864 00022.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM            36,864 00023.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM            36,864 00024.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM            36,864 00025.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           731,136 00026.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           540,672 00027.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           583,680 00028.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           528,384 00029.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           491,520 00030.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:27 PM           602,112 00031.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           534,528 00032.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           565,248 00033.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           466,944 00034.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           491,520 00035.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           608,256 00036.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:30 PM           540,672 00037.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:49 PM        62,281,728 00038.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:44 PM         6,119,424 00039.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:48 PM        62,257,152 00040.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:32 PM         7,004,160 00041.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:32 PM           534,528 00042.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:32 PM           565,248 00043.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:32 PM           491,520 00044.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:32 PM           509,952 00045.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:31 PM            36,864 00047.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:31 PM            55,296 00049.m2ts
11/09/2008  02:31 PM         3,403,776 00050.m2ts
              34 File(s) 46,045,808,640 bytes

http://www.mediafire.com/?4v5i2hdtyjz


http://www.mediafire.com/?mznjqnwrnir


Thanks for the help!

[gn2]

I know this is only supposed be bugs, and I didn't have one on my first use of this program, but I just have to say it is a SUPERB program.
I did a "movie only" of an .iso of "Twister" to BD9 and it worked perfectly, flawlessly, and the resulting file looked BETTER than the original disc, if that is possible...
Really, really, really good program. I will BUY this when its finished...

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by turbojet

Just finished my first encode, came out at 4369 MB, which is the intended target?

I noticed DTS and AC3 were encoding even though this was in the ini
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
It did end up using the original audio streams so it was just an unneeded step in this case.

That's in case you change the setting... to prevent having to redo the entire thing.

[turbojet]

Originally Posted by Sharc

Here we go:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f...db6fb9a8902bda

Powerdvd and sonic vc1 decoders fail on that clip too. I think you have found the only way to decode it and its only for certain people with newer nvidia cards. Guess we'll have to wait for a directshow decoder that handles VC1 interlaced for it to work within BD-RB.

[turbojet]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

That's in case you change the setting... to prevent having to redo the entire thing.

Not sure what you mean It's enabled even though its disabled for safety?
I would think its intended to not encode audio if its told not to which it is in this case

EDIT: Isn't the configuration read at the start of the process only like DVD-RB is? If not, when is it read during the encode process?

[MikeyBK]

Well I finally had a failure... of sorts. Not sure exactly where this went wrong because the encoding seemed to go perfect, and the full BDMV folder launched in Arcsoft TMT perfectly, and the menu & extras all functioned like the BluRay disc itself..... however once I wrote it to disc with IMGBurn, the disc loads in my BluRay player and BluRay drive, but just sits on 00:00 and doesn't function.
The disc is recognized by both player and drive, but just doesn't function. The files output from BD-RB plays perfect. Not sure where this went wrong ???

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by turbojet

Powerdvd and sonic vc1 decoders fail on that clip too. I think you have found the only way to decode it and its only for certain people with newer nvidia cards. Guess we'll have to wait for a directshow decoder that handles VC1 interlaced for it to work within BD-RB.

I don't know how often we will see such interlaced VC-1 clips in Extras. Perhaps a motivation for jdobbs to put the option for blanking of unwanted clips higher in the priority list .
Perhaps a quick fix could be just to automatically skip such clips in BD-RB which cannot be decoded.

Added:
Not sure if and how x264 handles interlaced material and field order.
Does interlaced stuff have to be de-interlaced before encoding?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by turbojet

Not sure what you mean It's enabled even though its disabled for safety?
I would think its intended to not encode audio if its told not to which it is in this case

EDIT: Isn't the configuration read at the start of the process only like DVD-RB is? If not, when is it read during the encode process?

The audio is encoded as each M2TS is encoded and I left it enabled (it is reencoded) for simplicity (whether it is used or not) as it takes only a tiny amount of time (related to the overall time). I also wanted to keep it there in case the encode oversized -- and then you could just use that audio instead of the original in the remux and avoid having to reencode the video again. But if you think its important to save that 10 minutes on a 12 hour encode, I guess I can disable it.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

I don't know how often we will see such interlaced VC-1 clips in Extras. Perhaps a motivation for jdobbs to put the option for blanking of unwanted clips higher in the priority list .
Perhaps a quick fix could be just to automatically skip such clips in BD-RB which cannot be decoded.

Added:
Not sure if and how x264 handles interlaced material and field order.
Does interlaced stuff have to be de-interlaced before encoding?

Are you positive this clip isn't some unremoved protection? I just get massive blockiness when I try to play it back. I have another clip that looks just like this -- and the ANYDVD forum says that disc isn't supported yet. I'm not doubting the conclusion that it is VC-1 interlacing that is the cause... just want to be sure.

In BD-RB I deinterlace input with AVISYNTH before reencoding to AVC with X264.

I'm inclined to agree that at least for now we may want to simply skip these clips... at least until I can find a directshow codec that will play it back...

Interesting that the WMV-9 codec will attempt to play it back (as a blocky mess) -- but the LIBAVCODEC one will simply freeze.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Are you positive this clip isn't some unremoved protection? I just get massive blockiness when I try to play it back. I have another clip that looks just like this -- and the ANYDVD forum says that disc isn't supported yet. I'm not doubting the conclusion that it is VC-1 interlacing that is the cause... just want to be sure.

Well, I am not 100% sure, but I didn't find any reference in the forums. What makes a bad rip unlikely is the fact that I can properly decode it with neuron2's VC-1 decoder suite for Nvidia.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...18#post1215718

[turbojet]

Oh if you can use the encoded audio automatically in case of oversized that's understandable, I just thought it may have been intended to not encode at all.

I'm currently encoding something that has 1080i VC1, AVC and MPEG2 extras.WMVideo handled the VC1, ffdshow handled the other 2 without any issues, except for dupe frames. So it's not every interlaced clip that has decoding issues.

For deinterlace or not, I think it would be best to analyze the stream, sorta like how autogk does it. If it identifies 1 of 5 frames can be safely removed it uses ivtc. If it doesn't find that I think its safer to keep it interlaced as opposed to deinterlacing or else there's a risk for dupe frames which looks ugly. I wish this type of thing existed in DVD-RB as well, but mostly where I see it on DVD's is in extras and they are often mixed film/ntsc or all ntsc which should stay interlaced anyhow, deinterlacing ends up ruining it.

Analyzing stream isn't very difficult manually, but I don't have a clue how it could be done through avisynth. I've also heard of 1 case where the stream was seen as 25 fps but it was really 24fps material. To account for that maybe compare 25 consecutive frames for every 200 or so frames so it doesn't take as long. If analyze stream isn't something you want to look into, could it be possible to have an ivtc option to force ivtc on the clip for both BD-RB and DVD-RB?

[turbojet]

It might be out of spec for that second where it turns into blocks, powerdvd and sonic both did the same thing at that point playing m2ts and serving it through avs, opening it up and scanning past the point it worked. Vdubmod, ripbot264, and megui wouldn't load the avs.

MikeyBK: what bluray player are you trying it on?

On a side note, ivtc was the one big feature request I had in mind right now. The others were having an ETA display for current encode or even project, displaying length of clip in H:MM:SS format on stream page, and resizing things to 720 or 480 (sub resizing being the main culprit?)

I realize bugs are much more important then adding features at the moment, I just wanted to mention them now before I forget about them.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by turbojet

I'm currently encoding something that has 1080i VC1, AVC and MPEG2 extras.WMVideo handled the VC1, ffdshow handled the other 2 without any issues, except for dupe frames. So it's not every interlaced clip that has decoding issues.

Similar experience here (PAL country). I guess the most weird ones are those with a mixture of progressive and interlaced content. Unfortunately it seems that this kind if clips is not unusual in the Extras of VC-1 type of Blu-ray disks.

[MikeyBK]

Originally Posted by turbojet

MikeyBK: what bluray player are you trying it on?

Sony BDP-BX1.
Funny thing is that the files are on my HDD and they play virtually perfect?!?~! ... except for no audio with the menus.

I need to look over the files to see what gives. This has been my only failed attempt so far,

Just did another movie-only to BD-5 and it plays fine. The video is superb and that's one of the major factors for me.

BTW, I also feel that any bugs that may arise should be the focus for now, but since there hasn't been too many, doesn't hurt to request added features for down the line.
As for me, I think I'll be going with movie-only BD-9s, because after such a long process the full disc ended up being for naught...and as for the extras, if I want to see them, I'll bust out the original...

[MikeyBK]

Well upon review of my burned full disc BD-9, it appears that I loaded only the BDMV folder and didn't realize that for a full disc copy I needed to add the certificate folder as well??

Is that right guys? On the movie-only BD-9 or 5, there is nothing in the Certificates folder, so I thought it was like the DVDs' AUDIO_TS folder... But there are security certificates and a backup folder in the folder on the HDD ...I'm learning trial by fire guys

Kinda felt that it was I who made the error, and not a bug... so I guess you can discount this as an issue or bug...
sorry for the false alarm jdobbs