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Old 15th February 2015, 15:56   #22281  |  Link
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3D movie only + multiangle error

Hello,

I've an error while trying to make a movie only backup of ice age 4. this is a multiangle BR.
if i stay on default angle, no error. if i choose a specific angle (french or awhatever), i've got an error:
Code:
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[02/15/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[12:16:05] Source:  ICE_AGE_4_3D_00800
  - Input BD size: 28,35 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:27:45.259]
  - Target BD size: 46,26 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:16:07] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [12:16:07] Processing: VID_00500 (1 of 3)
 - [12:16:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00500]
[12:16:20]PHASE ONE aborted by user request
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[02/15/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[12:16:31] Source:  ICE_AGE_4_3D_00800
  - Input BD size: 27,37 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:27:45.259]
  - Target BD size: 46,26 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:16:33] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [12:16:33] Processing: VID_00511 (1 of 3)
 - [12:16:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00511]
   - Extracting video streams [VID_00511]
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00511.m2ts
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00511.m2ts
[12:16:44] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted
----------------------
[02/15/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[12:17:14] Source:  ICE_AGE_4_3D_00800
  - Input BD size: 28,02 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:27:45.259]
  - Target BD size: 46,26 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:17:16] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [12:17:16] Processing: VID_00512 (1 of 3)
 - [12:17:16] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00512]
   - Extracting video streams [VID_00512]
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00512.m2ts
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00512.m2ts
[12:17:36] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted
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[02/15/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[12:32:17] Source:  ICE_AGE_4_3D_00800
  - Input BD size: 28,02 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:27:45.259]
  - Target BD size: 46,26 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:32:18] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [12:32:18] Processing: VID_00513 (1 of 3)
 - [12:32:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00513]
   - Extracting video streams [VID_00513]
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00513.m2ts
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00513.m2ts
[12:32:39] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted
----------------------
[02/15/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[12:32:55] Source:  ICE_AGE_4_3D_00800
  - Input BD size: 28,02 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:27:45.259]
  - Target BD size: 46,26 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:32:56] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [12:32:56] Processing: VID_00514 (1 of 3)
 - [12:32:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00514]
   - Extracting video streams [VID_00514]
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00514.m2ts
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: M:\BDMV\STREAM\00514.m2ts
[12:33:17] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted
[02/15/15] Checking System Settings
  - BD-Rebuilder v0.50.03
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Working Path Free Space: 124,84GB
  - AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
  - LAVFILTERS:  Ok
  - AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
  - X264:  Ok
  - AFTEN:  Ok
  - FAAC:  Ok
  - MP4BOX:  Ok
  - WAVI:  Ok
  - TSMUXER:  Ok
  - FRIMEncode:  Ok
  - FRIMDecode:  Ok
[02/15/15] Systems Settings Check complete
i still haven't succeed in making 3D movie only backup in batchs. i still have my error 55 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...77#post1697577) after the first movie. I've deleted all my bdrebuilder to be sure that it was not a customsetting error. without av, on another disk ... no way . it occurs only with 3D films. Everything is ok with 2d.
the last and only modified file (after closing the err55 message box) seems to be \BDoutputfolder\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls
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Old 15th February 2015, 19:17   #22282  |  Link
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I don't think I've ever actually tried doing an movie-only backup from an alternate angle with 3D, although I can't think of why it would be different. I'll do some tests.

I'll also look at your other reported issue.
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Old 15th February 2015, 21:11   #22283  |  Link
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That's strange. I'm not sure where the "00002" came from in "00002.track_4114.mvc". It clearly should have been "00001.track_4114.mvc".
Something doesn't work here:

1. BD starts creating a file named:
00002.track_4114.mvc
Code:
 Verzeichnis von D:\Temp\_BD.rebuilder\WORKFILES

15.02.2015  19:13    <DIR>          .
15.02.2015  19:13    <DIR>          ..
15.02.2015  19:13       102.760.448 00001.track_4113.264
15.02.2015  19:13        65.011.712 00002.track_4114.mvc
15.02.2015  19:13        18.874.368 00002.track_4352.dts
15.02.2015  19:13        18.874.368 00002.track_4353.dts
15.02.2015  19:13                 0 00002.track_4608.sup
15.02.2015  19:13                 0 00002.track_4609.sup
15.02.2015  19:13                 0 00002.track_4610.sup
15.02.2015  19:13               587 AUD_00001.meta
2. In Rebuild-Phase this error occurs:
Can't open file: D:\TEMP\_BD.REBUILDER\WORKFILES\00002.track_4114.mvc

3. BD renamed the files and cannot find them anymore:
Code:
 Verzeichnis von D:\Temp\_BD.rebuilder\WORKFILES

15.02.2015  19:24    <DIR>          .
15.02.2015  19:24    <DIR>          ..
15.02.2015  19:24    18.258.929.292 00001.track_4113.264
15.02.2015  19:24    11.837.205.216 00001.track_4114.mvc
15.02.2015  19:24     2.035.171.400 00001.track_4352.dts
15.02.2015  19:24     2.092.235.348 00001.track_4353.dts
15.02.2015  19:24        30.982.730 00001.track_4608.sup
15.02.2015  19:24        33.034.374 00001.track_4609.sup
15.02.2015  19:24        28.265.523 00001.track_4610.sup
15.02.2015  19:13               587 AUD_00001.meta
15.02.2015  19:24               307 AUD_00001_4352.AVS
15.02.2015  19:24               307 AUD_00001_4353.AVS
15.02.2015  19:24               620 MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
15.02.2015  19:24               297 VID_00001.AVS
15.02.2015  19:24               156 VID_00001.CHP
4. Renaming 00001.track_4114.mvc to 00002.track_4114.mvc and resuming works but the movie is to large.

5. Input BD size: 33,80 GB -> Target BD size: 23,44 GB.
The created folder is ~ 33 GB, no convertion!

Code:
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[02.15.15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[20:17:30] Source:  SIN_CITY_2_3D_00002
  - Input BD size: 33,80 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:42:15.963]
  - Target BD size: 23,44 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=1 Kbs=640
  - Audio [1] set to default.
[20:17:30] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:17:30] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
 - [20:17:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [20:29:12] Reencoding video [VID_00001]
 - [20:29:12] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [20:29:12] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (deu): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (eng): Keeping original audio
[20:29:12]PHASE ONE complete
[20:29:12]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:29:12] Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure
 - Failed in attempt to multiplex: MUX_MOVIE_ONLY.meta
 - Can't open file: D:\TEMP\_BD.REBUILDER\WORKFILES\00002.track_4114.mvc
[20:29:16] - Failed to REBUILD
----------------------
[02.15.15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[20:33:58] Source:  SIN_CITY_2_3D_00002
  - Input BD size: 33,80 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:42:15.963]
  - Target BD size: 23,44 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=1 Kbs=640
  - Audio [1] set to default.
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:33:59] PHASE ONE, Encoding
[20:33:59]PHASE ONE complete
[20:33:59]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:33:59] Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure
[20:54:33] - Encode and Rebuild complete
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[20:54:33] JOB: SIN_CITY_2_3D finished.
I made Screenshots from the steps, maybe that can help?!
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I didn't mean for this to be an issue, especially since no one else seems to be noticing it.

I thought your response was that BDRB has trouble calculating sizes when the main movie covers multiple M2TS files, not when multiple M2TS files are present on the disk in general.

Yes, it was a full back up, but the movie was only in a single M2TS.

Don't lose sleep on this, I'll just raise the BD25 target manually.
I looked at this one (Chicken Little). My original thought was correct. There are several playlists that include the main-movie M2TS (VID_00000). Playlist 00009 is multi-part. Interestingly, in addition to another M2TS it duplicates parts of the same M2TS (00000). So BD-RB decides not to keep the original due to complexity.
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Any idea how the file sizes changed so dramatically between the two illustrations? Was the first one captured while the extraction was in process?

This one is really confusing. Have you had this issue with any other discs? Have you had success with other 3D discs?
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Hi,

when using batch backup, i end up with an error at the end of the first rebuild:


after clicking on "ok", BDRB is closed.
same behavior with other rips.
Fixed this one. You'll see it in the next release.
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This isn't a bug report, so I hope you don't mind my asking a quick, general question...

I've never noticed this before after doing re-encodes with BDRB, but in this one case the result looks very good as usual, except I noticed that in scenes with slow pans, there is a noticeable 'judder'. I don't remember seeing this before. The one difference with this Blu-ray is that it is from The UK (I live in the US) It is a movie only encode with the original being about 31 Gigs which I used BDRB to reduce it to fit a BD25. I honestly doubt that BDRB has anything to do with it. I was just curious if there were some known causes of this phenomenon.

From what I've found so far in my reading, is perhaps a different frame rate...??? (could this be the case since the Blu-ray is from Europe?) Is anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately, I just deleted the workfiles and everything because I burned the Blu-ray to disc as a backup and overall it looked fine. I feel stupid now because I didn't think to ask about asking here until after I did that. I could re-rip the Blu-ray to get the stats from it, but until I do that, I thought I'd go ahead and ask anyway, just in case there are some fundamental causes of this.

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This isn't a bug report, so I hope you don't mind my asking a quick, general question...

I've never noticed this before after doing re-encodes with BDRB, but in this one case the result looks very good as usual, except I noticed that in scenes with slow pans, there is a noticeable 'judder'. I don't remember seeing this before. The one difference with this Blu-ray is that it is from The UK (I live in the US) It is a movie only encode with the original being about 31 Gigs which I used BDRB to reduce it to fit a BD25. I honestly doubt that BDRB has anything to do with it. I was just curious if there were some known causes of this phenomenon.

From what I've found so far in my reading, is perhaps a different frame rate...??? (could this be the case since the Blu-ray is from Europe?) Is anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately, I just deleted the workfiles and everything because I burned the Blu-ray to disc as a backup and overall it looked fine. I feel stupid now because I didn't think to ask about asking here until after I did that. I could re-rip the Blu-ray to get the stats from it, but until I do that, I thought I'd go ahead and ask anyway, just in case there are some fundamental causes of this.

Thanks!
Is the judder not visible in the original?
There should normally be no need for framrate conversion because there is no longer PAL or NTSC. Blu-ray is blu-ray......
Did you change the resolution or deinterlace which may have forced a framerate conversion?

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Is the judder not visible in the original?
There should normally be no need for framrate conversion because there is no longer PAL or NTSC. Blu-ray is blu-ray......
Did you change the resolution or deinterlace which may have forced a framerate conversion?
Hmmm, I guess you are right; so, no matter what country the Blu-ray is from, the standard is universal, right...?

I'd better go back and check what I did more carefully; I'll check the original too. Thanks!
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There is always some judder with cinema movies. If it's not the usual judder check whether your Blu-Ray uses 24.000 fps. You will sometimes find such Blu-Rays in Europe but almost never in the US so maybe your equipment does not like it. In the US they seem to stick to 23.976 fps instead. (Or maybe it's some 50 fps stuff, a botched rate conversion even.)

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I don't think I've ever actually tried doing an movie-only backup from an alternate angle with 3D, although I can't think of why it would be different. I'll do some tests.
I'll also look at your other reported issue.
while you're looking at it, i remember too, that when making batch backups, selected angle is not saved and the backup ended with default playlist instead of the selected one.

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Fixed this one. You'll see it in the next release.
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I've seen this before -- 'La Mome' leaps to mind. That title was a 1080i stream, possibly at 30fps (there are numerous legitimate formats for Blu-ray). It had a messy judder type of video playback that was quite - quite - annoying, ruining an otherwise great film. The problem was on the original disc, so not the fault of BD-RB.

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Hmmm, I guess you are right; so, no matter what country the Blu-ray is from, the standard is universal, right...?

I'd better go back and check what I did more carefully; I'll check the original too. Thanks!
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I looked at this one (Chicken Little). My original thought was correct. There are several playlists that include the main-movie M2TS (VID_00000). Playlist 00009 is multi-part. Interestingly, in addition to another M2TS it duplicates parts of the same M2TS (00000). So BD-RB decides not to keep the original due to complexity.
I didn't see those. The main movie playlist only calls one M2TS file and there are no other playlists anywhere near the same length so I didn't dig deeper.

I rechecked and see what you're talking about. There are playlists that call up just segments of the movie's M2TS file.

I believe that's from a bonus feature that shows the most exciting moments of the movie for showing off what a Blu-ray can do.

I can see how that would completely confuse things. Thanks for taking a look.
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I didn't see those. The main movie playlist only calls one M2TS file and there are no other playlists anywhere near the same length so I didn't dig deeper.

I rechecked and see what you're talking about. There are playlists that call up just segments of the movie's M2TS file.

I believe that's from a bonus feature that shows the most exciting moments of the movie for showing off what a Blu-ray can do.

I can see how that would completely confuse things. Thanks for taking a look.
With that said, though, I do need to go back and scrub the routines that make the "keep original" decision. They've had so many modifications that my confidence level isn't as high as it should be.
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[02.10.15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[19:31:20] Source: *******_00001
- Input BD size: 27,44 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:00:**.***]
- Target BD size: 4,36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Output folder: H:\2015\Videos\BD-RB\Output\
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [4-way]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:31:20] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [19:31:20] Processing: VID_00002 (1 of 2)
- [19:31:20] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- [19:37:24] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 24,000fps, 120 frames
- Bitrate: 3.396 Kbs
- [19:37:24] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [19:37:27] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- [19:37:31] Video Encode complete
- [19:37:31] Processing audio tracks
- [19:37:31] ReencodeAudio() 00009 1801
[19:37:40] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
I believe I've fixed this one. It corrects the example I used to repeat the issue. Please do a test when I post the next release and let me know if it worked.
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There is always some judder with cinema movies. If it's not the usual judder check whether your Blu-Ray uses 24.000 fps. You will sometimes find such Blu-Rays in Europe but almost never in the US so maybe your equipment does not like it. In the US they seem to stick to 23.976 fps instead. (Or maybe it's some 50 fps stuff, a botched rate conversion even.)
I even see it in the theater. 24fps is above the perception level... but panning left-to-right or right-to-left often shows jumpy movement clearly. A good cinematographer knows that and slows down the camera motion.

I have lots of original BDs that you can see the movement.
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I don't know what I was thinking when I first looked at your problem. Of course the .mvc has a different name... that's because it's in a different M2TS file.

I'm still looking at it, and haven't been able to repeat it yet. I have yet to locate a single point in my code in which an mvc file is renamed.
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I don't know what I was thinking when I first looked at your problem. Of course the .mvc has a different name... that's because it's in a different M2TS file.

I'm still looking at it, and haven't been able to repeat it yet. I have yet to locate a single point in my code in which an mvc file is renamed.
Ahhh! Found it. The audio/pgs files are being renamed (because they've taken the name of the MPLS during extract). It just happens that the .MVC file had the same name prefix as the MPLS -- and it got renamed too. The reason BD-RB tried to keep the original is because the filesize of the .MVC file was 0 bytes when checked (because it had been renamed).

It's fixed for the next release.
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I have a question. More than likely not a bug report, but I notice the rebuilt Boxtrolls 3D, has blocky artifacts when under 3D mode only, and played back on Powerdvd 14. Whether full backup, or movie only backup. I suspect that a standalone will not have this result. I'm simply curious why a rebuilt 3DBD via BD rebuilder, would cause Powerdvd to exhibit this curious outcome.
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I'm not really sure, but I'd be interested to know whether it happens on a standalone. Best guess would be a bug in PowerDVD 14.

Try outputting to an ISO (OUTPUT_3D_ISO=1) in movie-only mode and see if that makes a difference. Maybe PowerDVD has a problem with in-mux 3D? It shouldn't since it is part of the standard, but you never know. (note: the HIDDENOPTS.TXT file is wrong, it says OUTPUT_3D_ISO defaults to 1, when in fact it defaults to 0. I edited it for the next release)
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