MadVR in use with LG OLED Thread - Page 33

Yviena · 21st February 2020, 15:20

Hmm contrary to that youtube video i can on my C9 see a little worse banding in the near dark regions when game mode is used.

SamuriHL · 21st February 2020, 15:53

Imagine that.

Yes, this has been tested extensively by those in this thread. That youtube video (which I didn't bother to watch) is wrong.

huhn · 21st February 2020, 16:09

you should he is one of the best in the field...
even if he is wrong.

there is a lot of context missing like what type of signal is send and such.

SamuriHL · 21st February 2020, 16:40

That's always the trouble with these blanket statements. There are a LOT of variables to contend with.

nevcairiel · 21st February 2020, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by huhn

you should he is one of the best in the field...
even if he is wrong.

Everytime I see one of his videos mentioned, he is usually wrong about something or vastly generalizing. Must not be a good field.

huhn · 21st February 2020, 17:53

well...
i would like to disagree but i can't that just shows how good this field is covered. he is really one of the best out there to take a deeper look not deep enough but he tries.

iSeries · 21st February 2020, 18:24

Let's not forget Vincent is a pro calibrator first and foremost. He targets his videos to a general audience who don't really know the technical stuff that well.

He was also instrumental in getting the 2018 LG oleds the dithering 'fix' for the overshoot issue.

SamuriHL · 21st February 2020, 18:27

I have a lot of respect for Vincent and what he's done for the industry. That being said, he's not always correct.

And when you don't take into account all the variables around a particular topic, making generalized statements can be problematic as we know. That doesn't negate the good he's done.

iSeries · 21st February 2020, 18:29

He has to generalise otherwise his videos would be hours long if he took every variable and every possible outcome into account :-)

SamuriHL · 21st February 2020, 18:36

And that's how you end up with the wrong conclusion at times.

wnholt01 · 24th February 2020, 03:37

Forgive me if this has already been answered, searched through this thread but didn't find an exact answer.

I know PC mode is preferred for gaming presumably for the low latency and better image/text in 4:4:4. However, if I am running in non PC mode to avoid banding in HDR, etc. won't the latency be the same as in PC mode if I am in using the game preset in non PC mode?

Yviena · 24th February 2020, 19:20

Just wondering but how important is 4:4:4 chroma actually in games, or when doing stuff like Photoshop, and what white point are you all using for the C8/C9 model D65 looks too green for me.

Also has it ever been mentioned why exactly there is more banding in PC mode?

senzaparole · 26th February 2020, 16:48

I have activated PC mode but I have not notice any band

QBhd · 26th February 2020, 18:06

Watch Episode 3 "the Long Night" of season 8 of Game of Thrones in HDR... What a banded mess in PC mode!

QB

Magik Mark · 28th February 2020, 02:10

SamuriHL

Are you able to get no frame drops in 4k without using SM? If so, can you share what you have done?

Thanks

SamuriHL · 28th February 2020, 03:40

I get frame drops but they're not too bad. I didn't do anything special. One of these days I should probably use CRU to create a custom resolution to make it even better. I forget exactly what the rate of drops I'm getting now is but I can live with it until I get motivated. Ideally you want to find a way to make 1 drop every 3+ hours. Anything over that is good.

chros · 28th February 2020, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magik Mark

Are you able to get no frame drops in 4k without using SM? If so, can you share what you have done?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

One of these days I should probably use CRU to create a custom resolution to make it even better.

Here it is (note that I have a 1060 card with the old 385.28 driver).

Magik Mark · 28th February 2020, 23:19

Thanks chros

Update: Doing great under RTX 2060 442.19 studio driver. No frame drops!

I was wondering how did you come up with those values?

Magik Mark · 2nd March 2020, 01:53

FYI for those who are considering in switching to the video refresh rates, I have observed that under 4k refresh rates, 23FPS is the only one that is not supported under the EDID.
This needs to be customized in CRU. Using chros example, we are able to achieve a flawless playback under this setting.

chros · 2nd March 2020, 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magik Mark

I was wondering how did you come up with those values?

There's a link in that post for madshi's guide!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magik Mark

Doing great under RTX 2060 442.19 studio driver. No frame drops!

Nice!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magik Mark

This needs to be customized in CRU. Using chros example, we are able to achieve a flawless playback under this setting.

Just beware of that example: if your original edid values are different it can cause issues. Now you made me curious what's your C9 (in your setup) edid values are (reported by madvr).

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	Imagine that. Yes, this has been tested extensively by those in this thread. That youtube video (which I didn't bother to watch) is wrong. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	That's always the trouble with these blanket statements. There are a LOT of variables to contend with. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I have a lot of respect for Vincent and what he's done for the industry. That being said, he's not always correct. And when you don't take into account all the variables around a particular topic, making generalized statements can be problematic as we know. That doesn't negate the good he's done. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	And that's how you end up with the wrong conclusion at times. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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senzaparole Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Italia Posts: 55	I have activated PC mode but I have not notice any band __________________ TV:LG B9 65 Amplifier: Denon X4500H Front Speakers: n. 3 XTZ Cinema M6 Subwoofer: XTZ 10.17 EDGE Atmos Speakers:n. 4 XTZ S2 Surround Speakers: n. 2 XTZ Spirit 2 - HTPC: Fractal Meshify C-RX 5700 XT

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Yviena Registered User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 7	Hmm contrary to that youtube video i can on my C9 see a little worse banding in the near dark regions when game mode is used.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	you should he is one of the best in the field... even if he is wrong. there is a lot of context missing like what type of signal is send and such.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	well... i would like to disagree but i can't that just shows how good this field is covered. he is really one of the best out there to take a deeper look not deep enough but he tries.

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iSeries Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 625	Let's not forget Vincent is a pro calibrator first and foremost. He targets his videos to a general audience who don't really know the technical stuff that well. He was also instrumental in getting the 2018 LG oleds the dithering 'fix' for the overshoot issue.

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iSeries Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 625	He has to generalise otherwise his videos would be hours long if he took every variable and every possible outcome into account :-)

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wnholt01 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 7	Forgive me if this has already been answered, searched through this thread but didn't find an exact answer. I know PC mode is preferred for gaming presumably for the low latency and better image/text in 4:4:4. However, if I am running in non PC mode to avoid banding in HDR, etc. won't the latency be the same as in PC mode if I am in using the game preset in non PC mode?

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Yviena Registered User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 7	Just wondering but how important is 4:4:4 chroma actually in games, or when doing stuff like Photoshop, and what white point are you all using for the C8/C9 model D65 looks too green for me. Also has it ever been mentioned why exactly there is more banding in PC mode?

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QBhd QB the Slayer Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 697	Watch Episode 3 "the Long Night" of season 8 of Game of Thrones in HDR... What a banded mess in PC mode! QB __________________

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Magik Mark Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 666	SamuriHL Are you able to get no frame drops in 4k without using SM? If so, can you share what you have done? Thanks __________________ Asus ProArt Z790 - 13th Gen Intel i9 - RTX 3080 - DDR5 64GB Predator - LG OLED C9 - Yamaha A3030 - Windows 11 x64 - PotPlayerr - Lav - MadVR

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I get frame drops but they're not too bad. I didn't do anything special. One of these days I should probably use CRU to create a custom resolution to make it even better. I forget exactly what the rate of drops I'm getting now is but I can live with it until I get motivated. Ideally you want to find a way to make 1 drop every 3+ hours. Anything over that is good. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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Magik Mark Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 666	Thanks chros Update: Doing great under RTX 2060 442.19 studio driver. No frame drops! I was wondering how did you come up with those values? __________________ Asus ProArt Z790 - 13th Gen Intel i9 - RTX 3080 - DDR5 64GB Predator - LG OLED C9 - Yamaha A3030 - Windows 11 x64 - PotPlayerr - Lav - MadVR Last edited by Magik Mark; 29th February 2020 at 15:34.

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Magik Mark Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 666	FYI for those who are considering in switching to the video refresh rates, I have observed that under 4k refresh rates, 23FPS is the only one that is not supported under the EDID. This needs to be customized in CRU. Using chros example, we are able to achieve a flawless playback under this setting. __________________ Asus ProArt Z790 - 13th Gen Intel i9 - RTX 3080 - DDR5 64GB Predator - LG OLED C9 - Yamaha A3030 - Windows 11 x64 - PotPlayerr - Lav - MadVR