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Old 15th October 2015, 23:09   #33601  |  Link
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Ok. In some situations the default location might be ok. But often it is not. E.g. look here, playing a DVD (using an LAV test build with the new LAV DVD subtitle export to madVR) with MPC-HC with the "notify media player" zoom control option activated:

default position - | - move up = down

Or here with the "notify media player" zoom control option deactivated:

default position - | - move up - | - move down

Isn't any of the move options always better (in this example at least)? I think having one subtitle line in the active video area and one subtitle line in the black bar is rather bad, and it happens quite often with the standard location.
Ah, I can definitely see the advantage of the feature in that example. Fortunately for the content I watch, I don't require subtitles to be moved and in fact find it a bit displacing when it is due to moving my peripheral vision to keep up with the video and read subtitles at the same time.

Fullscreen Normal - Fullscreen Bottom
Half-screen Normal - Half-screen Bottom

Since I don't really watch any content where subtitles aren't already inside the video frame, I don't personally require the need to move subtitles into the active video area. I'd rather save the process calculation time if it is all the same.

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Old 15th October 2015, 23:17   #33602  |  Link
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Just a quick question: when SuperRes under image enhancements gets updates, is superchromares also getting updated? If not, is the superres filter for chroma at all recommended, given how it's based off the old iteration of SuperRes that got scrapped?
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Old 15th October 2015, 23:35   #33603  |  Link
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SO SuperRes Linear Light option is there to prevent brightness increase? Is that something I'd want for better quality pictures or for better accuracy? I use NNEDI3 + SuperRes Chroma Upscaling + SuperRes Image Refinement.
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Old 16th October 2015, 00:16   #33604  |  Link
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R9 390, Windows 10
same here, win 8.1 and GTX 970

happens with BE and HC (but unless it's my imagination it seems slightly better in HC)

EDIT: retested after reboot and it isn't happening with either player. i'll see if it happens again in the future, but it was happening for at least a few releases
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Old 16th October 2015, 02:05   #33605  |  Link
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What's wrong with 89.11? When playing video, computer is fully dead, hang up.
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Old 16th October 2015, 02:14   #33606  |  Link
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The fucking death make me lost all my work on the desktop!!! I never know a video filter can make computer die!!!
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Old 16th October 2015, 02:28   #33607  |  Link
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I can't find 89.10, and 89.9 is normal. What change between 89.9 and 89.11?
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Old 16th October 2015, 02:52   #33608  |  Link
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I can't find 89.10, and 89.9 is normal. What change between 89.9 and 89.11?
Both are on the previous page.

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madVR v0.89.10 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

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* added SuperRes "sharpness" and "use linear light" options
* optimized SuperRes performance with high "strength" values
* modified subtitle mover to not change subtitle size, anymore
* added "zoom control" option to move subtitles
* added support for LAV DVD subtitle renderer
* fixed: XySubFilter: high-res PGS with smaller-res video: wrong sub position
* fixed: crash when LAV DVD subtitle renderer asked for a flush/clear
* fixed: Smooth Motion + NNEDI3 + Bilinear could cause aliasing artifacts
* fixed: #318: debanding sometimes caused black screen (once more)
XySubFilter users, please test madVR v0.89.10 with the new XySubFilter 745 build:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168282

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madVR v0.89.11 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

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* fixed stupid video size bug introduced in v0.89.10
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Old 16th October 2015, 03:09   #33609  |  Link
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What's wrong with 89.11? When playing video, computer is fully dead, hang up.
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The fucking death make me lost all my work on the desktop!!! I never know a video filter can make computer die!!!
Welcome to video driver bugs? It's not MadVR's fault, but it does use more of the driver than anything but games. Since you can lose everything at practically anytime anyway, if the power dies or anything else locks it up, you should always be autosaving. Computers suck.
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Old 16th October 2015, 05:26   #33610  |  Link
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madVR flashes frame from the future (probably last in the queue) on frame step. Not on every one, but very often. It looks like that Frame1->Flashes Frame (something from the queue)->Frame2 it is easily reproducible with MPC-HC and CTRL+left arrow to frame step. Seems to happen only with DX11. Here is log http://1drv.ms/1MswFTV
I think you're experiencing what I reported two times before in this thread but nobody else confirmed it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...13#post1714313
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...27#post1728827

I can confirm this only happens with Smooth Motion enabled and is easily reproducible with WMV and AVI files. Detailed info has been provided in my previous reports.
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Old 16th October 2015, 05:49   #33611  |  Link
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I can't find 89.10, and 89.9 is normal. What change between 89.9 and 89.11?
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The fucking death make me lost all my work on the desktop!!! I never know a video filter can make computer die!!!
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Welcome to video driver bugs? It's not MadVR's fault, but it does use more of the driver than anything but games. Since you can lose everything at practically anytime anyway, if the power dies or anything else locks it up, you should always be autosaving. Computers suck.
Yesterday mpc-hc leaked lots of memory here. I did not yet (will do later) take a closer look but it was after I upgraded madvr. Did you maybe run out of RAM?
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Old 16th October 2015, 06:53   #33612  |  Link
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i just want to confirm one thing about the doubling/quadrupling functions: my understanding is that they work in sequence, not independently.

I.e. the doubling algorithm is applied first, and then if there is scope for quadrupling (depending on the scaling factor and settings) the quad algorithm is applied.

Or is the quad algorithm applied directly, if the scaling factor is such, skipping the doubling algo?

I think it's the first, but am not 100% sure.
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Old 16th October 2015, 08:08   #33613  |  Link
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.ASS looks good. PGS from a bluray is blurry. It's not even the same font as the .ASS. But the filters say xy->madVR.
PGS are bitmap subtitles. madVR does not know which text is in such subtitles. It's all just pixels. So all madVR can do is draw them onto the original video image (before upscaling) and then upscale the subtitle bitmaps together with the video. Which will of course be much blurrier than rendering text (SRT, ASS) subtitles in the final resolution of the upscaled video. If you want sharp subtitles, you'll have to use some subtitle tool to convert PGS to SRT or ASS.

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At first the move subtitles wasn't working for me. Then it started to work. But it messes up when scrubbing through the video. With my .ASS sample it starts at the bottom if I have it selected, but if I scrub a bit then it goes higher up.
You probably have not updated XySubFilter to build 745 yet, have you?

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Ah, I can definitely see the advantage of the feature in that example. Fortunately for the content I watch, I don't require subtitles to be moved and in fact find it a bit displacing when it is due to moving my peripheral vision to keep up with the video and read subtitles at the same time.

Fullscreen Normal - Fullscreen Bottom
Half-screen Normal - Half-screen Bottom

Since I don't really watch any content where subtitles aren't already inside the video frame, I don't personally require the need to move subtitles into the active video area. I'd rather save the process calculation time if it is all the same.
Ok, I understand. Was just wondering...

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Just a quick question: when SuperRes under image enhancements gets updates, is superchromares also getting updated? If not, is the superres filter for chroma at all recommended, given how it's based off the old iteration of SuperRes that got scrapped?
No, SuperChromaRes has not been updated for quite a while. Although it's based on the same principle, it's a different algorithm, and it's still on my to do list to look into.

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SO SuperRes Linear Light option is there to prevent brightness increase? Is that something I'd want for better quality pictures or for better accuracy? I use NNEDI3 + SuperRes Chroma Upscaling + SuperRes Image Refinement.
In theory you should uncheck "Linear Light" if the video you're playing has been downscaled by the studio by using gamma light (which is what most studios do, I suppose). And you should activate "Linear Light" if the video you're playing has been downscaled by the studio by using linear light - or if you're playing a video that hasn't been downscaled by the studio at all. Since it's very hard to know what the studio did, I can't really tell you which way to set that option. I prefer it unchecked, others prefer it checked. Unchecked thins black lines a bit, but may introduce a little bit of aliasing. So simply try and use what looks better to your eyes.

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What's wrong with 89.11? When playing video, computer is fully dead, hang up.
I doubt it has much to do with 89.11. Probably the same would have happened with 89.9. This is probably a GPU driver or even OS problem, or a hardware problem.

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Yesterday mpc-hc leaked lots of memory here. I did not yet (will do later) take a closer look but it was after I upgraded madvr. Did you maybe run out of RAM?
Oh, that would be ugly. Can you double check whether you can reproduce that problem, and whether it's a new problem introduced by madVR or by the latest MPC-HC build or by the GPU driver, maybe? There was an AMD beta driver recently which leaked lots of (GPU?) RAM.

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i just want to confirm one thing about the doubling/quadrupling functions: my understanding is that they work in sequence, not independently.
Correct.
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Old 16th October 2015, 10:17   #33614  |  Link
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I'd try NNEDI3 64 for doubling + super-xbr 75 quadrupling.
Thanks, I'll give that a try. Could be a good mix between the softness of nnedi and the sharpness of super-xbr.

By the way, I have been thinking that because everyone is so keen on getting sharp pictures, we've got to a point where we accept too many artifacts, ringing and other distortions.

In in many cases, a softer image may in fact be a better option; we have to accept that compromises exist when upscaling and it's up to us, to set the balance between different aspects of the PQ.

It would be nice if we had a high quality deblocking filter that doesn't overly soften the image, but gets rid of some of these artifacts. I think as resolutions get higher (4K) this will be more useful, especially for lower quality SD sources.
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Old 16th October 2015, 10:49   #33615  |  Link
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That's all technically possible, but I have rather limited development resources. I'll think about it, but the end result in the short term will probably be a *very* simple (and maybe somewhat ugly) solution. If you have a good idea for something like that, which I could implement in just a couple of minutes, let me know.
I can't help you with that (I'm not a C++ dev ), but you can ask the MPC-HC/BE dev teams, I think they are smart enough for that

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Just a quick question: when SuperRes under image enhancements gets updates, is superchromares also getting updated? If not, is the superres filter for chroma at all recommended, given how it's based off the old iteration of SuperRes that got scrapped?
I'm against it at its current state, I made couple of screenshots around 1-2 week(s) ago, where you could easily see the unwanted modifications on the picture by it.
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In theory you should uncheck "Linear Light" if the video you're playing has been downscaled by the studio by using gamma light (which is what most studios do, I suppose). And you should activate "Linear Light" if the video you're playing has been downscaled by the studio by using linear light - or if you're playing a video that hasn't been downscaled by the studio at all. Since it's very hard to know what the studio did, I can't really tell you which way to set that option. I prefer it unchecked, others prefer it checked. Unchecked thins black lines a bit, but may introduce a little bit of aliasing. So simply try and use what looks better to your eyes.
Gamma correct also increases the brightness in the case of SuperRes in a noticeable way (independent from the source?), at least if you choose a sharpness option > 2.
I upscaled the brightness sensitive image you posted here to 1440p via Jinc AR:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...0&postcount=38

No SR:


Strength 2, sharpness 3, no LL:


LL:


I also noticed the brightness increase without LL in other videos from the web.
So, if one wants to use SR as a sharpener , I think it's a good idea to use linear light.
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Old 16th October 2015, 11:19   #33617  |  Link
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madVR v0.89.10 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

[code]* added SuperRes "sharpness" and "use linear light" options
* optimized SuperRes performance with high "strength" values
Hi madshi, you're on a winning streak!

I wanted to ask you, concerning the above, is it expected to get seriously improved performance when, in "upscaling refinement" moving from SuperRes 3 to SuperRes 4? Is this what you are referring to when talking about "high strength"?

Previously SR wasn't impacting too much until 3, but 4 had a serious jump in computational power used. At least for me...
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Old 16th October 2015, 13:12   #33618  |  Link
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I think you're experiencing what I reported two times before in this thread but nobody else confirmed it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...13#post1714313
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...27#post1728827

I can confirm this only happens with Smooth Motion enabled and is easily reproducible with WMV and AVI files. Detailed info has been provided in my previous reports.
Nope. SM is not related. I can reproduce without it.
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Welcome to video driver bugs? It's not MadVR's fault, but it does use more of the driver than anything but games. Since you can lose everything at practically anytime anyway, if the power dies or anything else locks it up, you should always be autosaving. Computers suck.
Because this old computer is for downloading, so the OS is still XP since 2006 without installing new OS, and driver is out at 2014.4 and not updated by ATI.

My computer is running well all the way before 89.11.

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Yesterday mpc-hc leaked lots of memory here. I did not yet (will do later) take a closer look but it was after I upgraded madvr. Did you maybe run out of RAM?
Maybe? When I run MPC-HC, computer immediately being slowly to be idle in only 3 seconds. Each time. So, I can't do anything to check.

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I doubt it has much to do with 89.11. Probably the same would have happened with 89.9. This is probably a GPU driver or even OS problem, or a hardware problem.
My computer is running MPC-HC 181 + LAV 66.0.26 + madVR 89.11/89.9, OS is XP SP3 with all patch, videocard is AMD ATI HD4850 with 14.4.

I'am the only one happenning this problem?

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Old 16th October 2015, 15:48   #33620  |  Link
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Did your computer freeze or did it reboot (BSoD)? Any details in the Windows Event Log?
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