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Old 1st March 2014, 02:07   #19421  |  Link
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Back by popular demand. From a previous post:

All settings that don't use the "a:" are assumed to be video. Some other prefixes:

i: means apply only to interlaced sources
p: means apply only to progressive sources
f: means apply only to the feature
e: means apply only to extras

The default of no prefix at all means apply it to all sources

They can be used together, for example:

f:a:Amplify(audio,1.25)

would mean to increase audio by 25% for the feature only.
I didn't even know that was there. Thanks.

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I experienced and reported a similar problem some days ago. I found that the unwanted re-encoding was probably triggered by the selected resize option. Try to unselect the options (you don't need these for pure re-authoring), and your source should remain intact.
Good thought, but no. I just cannot under any condition make BDRB leave a source alone for rebuilding. No matter the format or size, the target, the options, or anything else.

To rule out as much as possible I went back to v44.17 and I still find this behavior. I've been running test after test today under various conditions.

Am I misunderstanding? Does BDRB NEVER copy a source untouched even if there is more than enough room for it?
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Old 1st March 2014, 03:00   #19422  |  Link
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One more test. I figured I'd try a BD Quick Reauthor on the Pseudo BD. Unfortunately, the threshold is 15 minutes and I can find no hidden option for lowering that. Does it exist?

Sorry to be so needy, but this has been more difficult than anticipated.
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Old 1st March 2014, 04:43   #19423  |  Link
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Yes, I did as I quoted from it.
I'm guessing jdobbs meant to reference his most recent reply to you instead of a previous one.
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Old 1st March 2014, 05:37   #19424  |  Link
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BD-RB has to reencode anything that is destined for a BD-5/9. That's because a source that was created for BD has bitrates that CANNOT be played on a DVD+-R -- it can't spin fast enough. It doesn't check a BD source to determine whether it was previously encoded. As one might expect, it assumes that a BD source is a BD source.
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Old 1st March 2014, 06:15   #19425  |  Link
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I can understand the BD5/9 always reencoding, but even taking from a pseudo BD to a BD25 target, BDRB insists on a re-encode too.

So basically it appears if the format isn't a true BD to start with, BDRB will always encode.
Can a psuedo BD be used as a real BD(5) if the video files are properly encoded or are there other authoring differences?
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Old 1st March 2014, 11:30   #19426  |  Link
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BD-5/9 target selection then overrules the hidden option FORCE_NOENCODE=1?
I am asking because I imported compliant files (already processed before by BD-RB) on purpose for fixing the Quick-Menu. BD-RB insists on re-encoding despite FORCE_NOENCODE=1 unless I deselect all resizing tick boxes.
(Possibly a similar case as DoctorM reports)
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Old 1st March 2014, 14:04   #19427  |  Link
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Perhaps an option to Re-Author without reencoding check box could be used for BD5-9/AVCHD? A warning message could say "may not be compatible with AVCHD, use at your own risk!"
I often do use multiAVCHD for this, but this would be an excellent alternative.
Not sure this is an option you would want to add jdobbs, since you know the potential problems that will happen, and people will assume it is the fault of BD-RB!
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Old 1st March 2014, 14:43   #19428  |  Link
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FORCE_NOENCODE=1 should keep the original either way as long as it is physically possible to follow it and still meet your other settings. But it has to reencode if you are resizing. You can't give it contradicting instructions and expect BD-RB to know which of those you really mean. It can also be overridden by FORCE_ENCODE.

The same applies if you are processing SBS into 3D or if you have filters set. It can't do that and not encode at the same time.

Trying to do two things at the same time that contradict each other is an operator error... not a bug. It's kinda' like stepping on the accelerator and the brake at the same time. Would you tell the manufacturer that they have a bug and one of the two should be ignored?

With that said... if you select FORCE_NOENCODE and there is no other contradicting setting, it should not reencode. I'll look at what happens with BD-5/9 and change it if necessary.
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Old 1st March 2014, 15:47   #19429  |  Link
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- [11:28:56] Processing: VID_00066 (55 of 102)
- [11:28:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00066]
- Error in attempt to MKVMERGE.
[11:29:36] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted

Cannot get through this problem. The videos source is AVC and part of the main movie. (MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
Rate/Length: 23,976fps).

Please help. At the moment this is the only 2D BD I own which cannot be processed by BD-RB due to some reason.

Thank you!
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Old 1st March 2014, 17:38   #19430  |  Link
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The videos source is AVC and part of the main movie.
What does this mean? If it is building to MKV the main movie is all there is -- and what do you mean by "part of" it?

[Edit] Ok, I see by looking at your log that you aren't encoding to MKV. MKVMERGE is necessary when processing secondary video or VC-1 interlaced sources (because they can't be demuxed/encoded properly from an M2TS).
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Old 1st March 2014, 18:29   #19431  |  Link
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What does this mean? If it is building to MKV the main movie is all there is -- and what do you mean by "part of" it?
Sorry for not being clear enough.

If I switch to "movie-only backup" mode to check the main movie content, it is shown that the main video contains several VIDs (22 pcs from VID_00050 to VID_00072) including the one I have problem with (VID_00066).
I meant only that VID_00066 is part of the main movie video content.
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Old 1st March 2014, 18:38   #19432  |  Link
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Sorry for not being clear enough.

If I switch to "movie-only backup" mode to check the main movie content, it is shown that the main video contains several VIDs (22 pcs from VID_00050 to VID_00072) including the one I have problem with (VID_00066).
I meant only that VID_00066 is part of the main movie video content.
Is it the last part? It may be possible that BD-RB is attempting to extract the secondary video for reencoding... but for some reason it isn't there. By the standard -- it must be there. I've see a couple of other cases where the final segment of a multipart video violates requirements.
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Old 1st March 2014, 18:41   #19433  |  Link
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FORCE_NOENCODE=1 should keep the original either way as long as it is physically possible to follow it and still meet your other settings. But it has to reencode if you are resizing. You can't give it contradicting instructions and expect BD-RB to know which of those you really mean. It can also be overridden by FORCE_ENCODE.

The same applies if you are processing SBS into 3D or if you have filters set. It can't do that and not encode at the same time.

Trying to do two things at the same time that contradict each other is an operator error... not a bug. It's kinda' like stepping on the accelerator and the brake at the same time. Would you tell the manufacturer that they have a bug and one of the two should be ignored?

With that said... if you select FORCE_NOENCODE and there is no other contradicting setting, it should not reencode. I'll look at what happens with BD-5/9 and change it if necessary.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I am well aware of the possibility of conflicting settings. The question is then always which is given priority. I assumed that FORCE_NOENCODE=1 would overrule everything in case of conflicts (as the "force" sounds very strong), but apparently I was wrong. Now it's clear that I have to reset/deselect other possibly conflicting settings when I want to avoid re-encoding.
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Old 1st March 2014, 19:21   #19434  |  Link
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Is it the last part? It may be possible that BD-RB is attempting to extract the secondary video for reencoding... but for some reason it isn't there. By the standard -- it must be there. I've see a couple of other cases where the final segment of a multipart video violates requirements.
No, this segment is from one of the biggests and located in the middle of the main movie. And you are right, the disc contains secondary video in each referenced main movie segment according to the stream view. I think this BD is a "tricky" one:

I have found that after selecting Movie-Only Backup Mode, "Other Movie-Only Playlists" contains 7 pcs of playlists. What is strange for me is that this problematic main video segment (VID_00066) has it's own playlist (Playlist 00066) in which it is located alone. The same situation with an other big main video segment as well (VID_00068). Maybe, this could cause some problem for BD-RB also.
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Is it the last part? It may be possible that BD-RB is attempting to extract the secondary video for reencoding... but for some reason it isn't there. By the standard -- it must be there. I've see a couple of other cases where the final segment of a multipart video violates requirements.
Would it be possible to get around this problem by creating a hidden option like FORCE_SECONDARY_NOENCODE?
It would be great if you assigned a reason to it also.
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Old 1st March 2014, 23:22   #19436  |  Link
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Would it be possible to get around this problem by creating a hidden option like FORCE_SECONDARY_NOENCODE?
It would be great if you assigned a reason to it also.
Possibly. But there are risks related to that. What if the bitrate of the secondary pushes you over the limit for BD-5/9? What if it uses an inordinate amount of space that is stolen from your primary video?

Have you tried switching to DirectshowSource() rather than LAVF?
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Old 1st March 2014, 23:26   #19437  |  Link
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There are a couple posts further back in this thread where DoctorM was having issues with the new TSMUXER. If I recall correctly it was because he had an exceptionally old processor that didn't support SSE2. Any chance that may be your issue?
No, it's a 2 yr. old i7 so I don't think it's the processor. I was able to use DVDFabHD, but I generally like BDRebuilder better. It takes longer but the output seems crisper. This has happened to me 3 different times in the past yr. Usually reinstalling BDRB fixes it, not this time though. The only thing I can think of is that I seem to periodically have to reinstall Adobe Flash Player due to crashing issues (a lot of people have that problem). Do you think that could be affecting it? It's the only common clue I can think of because other than updating AnyDVDHD and DVDFabHD, I don't download much.
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No, it's a 2 yr. old i7 so I don't think it's the processor. I was able to use DVDFabHD, but I generally like BDRebuilder better. It takes longer but the output seems crisper. This has happened to me 3 different times in the past yr. Usually reinstalling BDRB fixes it, not this time though. The only thing I can think of is that I seem to periodically have to reinstall Adobe Flash Player due to crashing issues (a lot of people have that problem). Do you think that could be affecting it? It's the only common clue I can think of because other than updating AnyDVDHD and DVDFabHD, I don't download much.
I can't imagine how Adobe Flash could affect TSMUXER. But stanger things have happened I suppose.

Have you tried running TSMUXER from the command line using the META file BD-RB creates, and seeing if there is some indication of what might be happening before the crash?
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Possibly. But there are risks related to that. What if the bitrate of the secondary pushes you over the limit for BD-5/9? What if it uses an inordinate amount of space that is stolen from your primary video?

Have you tried switching to DirectshowSource() rather than LAVF?
For my backup projects it is not a problem at all neither pushing over the limit for BD-5/BD-9 nor if it uses an inordinate amount of space that is stolen from primary video. The reason for that is that I always use FIXED_CRF option for the different video content types of the backups with unpredictable final sizes. Additionally, I always keep the HD audio tracks if available on the disk. I have found this method of processing quite effective and it results in very small backup sizes most of time.

With DirectshowSource I experienced the same problem, attached the log file. (The only difference in setup between the two encodings was unmarking "use X264's internal LAVF for decoding" in the setup dialog).

I really appreciate your efforts and time spent on this issue.
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Old 2nd March 2014, 18:58   #19440  |  Link
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Video is re-encoded, even when it will fit on BD25

Hello, this is my first post.

I have been using BD Rebuilder for awhile now, and I seem to be having an issue that just started with the past couple of versions that I've used (I'm not sure if these correspond to the last 2 releases, as I may not have installed each release that was made). Now, the video will always be re-encoded, even when it will fit on the target (BD25). This used to work fine for me (prior to the past 2 versions that I've used). I've done several movies where converting the LPCM or DTS HD-Master to AC3 allowed the size to be small enough for the video to not be re-encoded. Now, this is not occurring. In fact, I have a movie now that I just tried. It's "The Artist" and it's 22.9 GB with the DTS HD-Master audio track. It's just barely above the BD25 threshold, and clearly by converting the DTS HD-Master to AC3, it would be below the BD25 threshold, but BD Rebuilder is still is trying to re-encode the video. Another example, I had A Clockwork Orange, with a few audio tracks (1 LPCM, and 2 AC3, I believe). I selected just 1 AC3 track (which ended up bringing the final size to well under 20 GB, but it still tried to re-encode the video. If I change the target size to BD50, it works (no re-encode), so I don't think that any of my other settings are forcing it to re-encode or anything in the video itself (interlaced, etc.). Did something change with the size calculations? Again, this just started happening with the past 2 versions that I've used (prior versions seemed to be OK). Any thoughts? Here are my settings and log(s).

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SETTINGS
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[Options]
VERSION=0.46.0.13
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=23500
AUTO_BURN=2
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
RESIZE_720=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
KEEP_HD_LPCM=0
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
OUTPUT_3D=0
NEROAAC=0
SUPTITLE=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=1
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
IGNORE_3D=0
OUTPUT_SBS=0
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=H:\
WORKING_PATH=D:\TEMP\BD-RB\

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LOG (with BD25 target size)
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[03/02/14] BD Rebuilder v0.46.13 (beta)
[11:22:31] Source: THE_ARTIST
- Input BD size: 22.99 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:36.071]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:22:32] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:22:32] Processing: VID_00015 (1 of 1)
- [11:22:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015]
- [11:35:53] Reencoding video [VID_00015]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 144,721 frames
- Bitrate: 29,643 Kbs
- [11:35:53] Reencoding: VID_00015, Pass 1 of 2
[11:37:28]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

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LOG (with BD50 target size)
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[03/02/14] BD Rebuilder v0.46.13 (beta)
[11:38:57] Source: THE_ARTIST
- Input BD size: 22.99 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:40:36.071]
- Target BD size: 46.26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:38:58] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:38:58] Processing: VID_00015 (1 of 1)
- [11:38:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015]
- [11:52:05] Reencoding video [VID_00015]
- [11:52:05] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [11:52:05] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...

Thanks for any help. Sorry for the long post.
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