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Old 9th April 2017, 22:37   #14781  |  Link
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Demuxed dtsma tracks no longer appear in audio choices

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v1.19.6 demuxes dts-HD-MA tracks to files with the extension .dtsma. These .dtsma files do not appear as selectable tracks in the audio pull-down, but they can be selected via the "..." box to the right. This creates a new file with .ffindex extension in the job(x) folder, which takes awhile.
Changing .dtsma to .dts in the job(x) folder first, is an effective workaround.
Prior to v1.19.6, dts-HD-MA tracks were demuxed to files with the extension .dts and appeared as selectable audio tracks.
This seems a degradation. Was it intentional? Might this be addressed in a future release?
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Old 10th April 2017, 03:28   #14782  |  Link
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Copy stream?
OK, I know that's how you retain DTS streams, but I have a question for you:-

I have a few 2160p x265 10 bit 7.1 encoded movies, that I want to re encode down to x264 1080p.

When I load the movie into Ripbot, it display's that there is only 2 tracks. But clearly they have 7.1 (8), as detected by MediaInfo, and VLC.

Just seems a little misleading.

I am yet to process one to see what the end result is.....
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OK, I know that's how you retain DTS streams, but I have a question for you:-

I have a few 2160p x265 10 bit 7.1 encoded movies, that I want to re encode down to x264 1080p.

When I load the movie into Ripbot, it display's that there is only 2 tracks. But clearly they have 7.1 (8), as detected by MediaInfo, and VLC.

Just seems a little misleading.

I am yet to process one to see what the end result is.....
Are you implying there are three audio tracks, one of which is a not shown 7.1 or that the 7.1 is showing as 2.0 (two channel)?

If you have a 7.1 track that is not listed, it could be a .dtsma issue as described by my ignored post above.
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Are you implying there are three audio tracks, one of which is a not shown 7.1 or that the 7.1 is showing as 2.0 (two channel)?

If you have a 7.1 track that is not listed, it could be a .dtsma issue as described by my ignored post above.
Only showing as 2 channels....

Possibly.
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Old 10th April 2017, 05:54   #14785  |  Link
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Only showing as 2 channels....

Possibly.
My experience with demuxed 7.1 tracks prior to v1.19.6 was that they would appear as 5.1 (6 channel).

Assuming you're using "copy stream" with the 7.1 track, you'll probably end up with 7.1.
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Only showing as 2 channels....

Possibly.
I suspect the 2.0 track is not the 7.1. Is the 7.1 dtsma?
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I suspect the 2.0 track is not the 7.1. Is the 7.1 dtsma?
According to MediaInfo, it's AAC 8 channel.
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With more and more movies having 7.1, etc (and above) audio, what IS the best way to process them with Ripbot, without losing anything (or much) ???
I use MKVToolnix to extract the video and then use Ripbot264 to process that, then MKVTOOLNIX to mux back the chapters, subtitles and audio. That way I know it's exactly how I want it as Ripbot264 had a habit of processing the sound to a different format.
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I use MKVToolnix to extract the video and then use Ripbot264 to process that, then MKVTOOLNIX to mux back the chapters, subtitles and audio. That way I know it's exactly how I want it as Ripbot264 had a habit of processing the sound to a different format.
Nice tip...thanks
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That way I know it's exactly how I want it as Ripbot264 had a habit of processing the sound to a different format.
Example? Have you read changelog? Eac3,DTSMA,TRUEHD are accepted without prior conversion to FLAC.

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This seems a degradation. Was it intentional? Might this be addressed in a future release?
No it is not. Lossless part of DTS-MA can be now decoded in AviSynth. This means that if you select for example AAC as ouput audio codec in ripbot264 then
encoder will get lossless part of the source audio instead of lossy DTS-core. NicAudio only sees lossy part in DTS-MA.

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According to MediaInfo, it's AAC 8 channel.
My understanding is there is a lack of consistency with encoders, decoders and players regarding channel assignment with AAC 7.1. I would avoid.
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No it is not. Lossless part of DTS-MA can be now decoded in AviSynth. This means that if you select for example AAC as ouput audio codec in ripbot264 then
encoder will get lossless part of the source audio instead of lossy DTS-core. NicAudio only sees lossy part in DTS-MA.
The thousands of encodes I did before v1.19.6 used the lossy cores?

Does my posted workaround of changing the .dtsma extension to .dts prevent encoding from the lossless part?
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Old 10th April 2017, 16:36   #14793  |  Link
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No it is not. Lossless part of DTS-MA can be now decoded in AviSynth. This means that if you select for example AAC as ouput audio codec in ripbot264 then
encoder will get lossless part of the source audio instead of lossy DTS-core. NicAudio only sees lossy part in DTS-MA.
Having to search for a demuxed dtsMA track via the "..." box rather than it appearing as an audio choice seems like a step backwards. I'm on board with your change of not converting to FLAC and I want encode sources to be lossless vs lossy, but the deployment doesn't seem fleshed out.

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Wish list: higher bitrate choices for AAC

I'm aware many would offer that AAC 2.0 @128 and 5.1 @320 is more or less transparent, yet I'd like to have additional choices of 160, 192, 224, 256 and 320 for 2.0, 448, 512 and perhaps 576 for 5.1 and vbr 5 and 6 for both 2.0 and 5.1. Until this happens, I will continue to manually modify the jobx_EncodeAudio1 file inside the jobx folder.

Also, if you, (Atak), could implement AAC 7.1 with correct channel assignment, I'd "love you long time".

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Having to search for a demuxed dtsMA track via the "..." box rather than it appearing as an audio choice seems like a step backwards. I'm on board with your change of not converting to FLAC and I want encode sources to be lossless vs lossy, but the deployment doesn't seem fleshed out.
It works fine on my machine. After demuxing files with .dtsma extension are automatically added to ComboBox.

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The thousands of encodes I did before v1.19.6 used the lossy cores?
No. Ripbot264 was automatically converting dtsma/eac3/truehd to FLAC using eac3to as intermediate file. This way encoder had full lossless data. Thanks to ffms2 this step is not required.
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It works fine on my machine. After demuxing files with .dtsma extension are automatically added to ComboBox.
Perhaps my upgrade to v1.19.6 via the update function vs. a fresh install, accounts for why demuxed dtsma tracks are not showing up in my ComboBox.

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No. Ripbot264 was automatically converting dtsma/eac3/truehd to FLAC using eac3to as intermediate file. This way encoder had full lossless data. Thanks to ffms2 this step is not required.
I'm aware that before v1.19.6, some of my jobs loaded from .mkv files had lossless audio tracks that underwent automatic FLAC conversion, but I did not see this conversion when loading jobs from M2TS files in Blu-ray structured folders; not as a message within the GUI or the resulting FLAC files in the jobx folders. When I encoded to AC3 or AAC from the M2TS scenario, was the FLAC conversion happening?...Behind the scenes? And if it did not happen, does that mean my AC3 or AAC encodes were from lossy cores?

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Old 10th April 2017, 21:25   #14797  |  Link
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Atak, I made the update from Flac to version 1.3.2 and it works correctly with RipBot.
Did you get tested?
http://www.rarewares.org/files/lossless/
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Perhaps my upgrade to v1.19.6 via the update function vs. a fresh install, accounts for why demuxed dtsma tracks are not showing up in my ComboBox.
It's normal here.

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It's normal here.
Did you arrive at v1.19.6 via fresh install or Ripbot264's updater?

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Error demuxing TrueHD

Ripbot264 v1.19.6 failed to load an M2TS file from a BD folder structure, with a TrueHD track, set to "demux".

This error message appeared:
FFAudioSource: No audio track found
(E:\Temp\RipBot264temp\job3\getinfo.avs, line 4)

Update: I suspect the TrueHD stream has issues.

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