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Old Today, 00:40   #46681  |  Link
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Have you tried "linear light" on vs off for the new AS? I think with "linear light" off it's not so much different to the previous AS for Anime content? If you don't like the slightly stronger grain sharpening, you could add "reduce compression artifacts" strength 2, which would probably clean up the grain in Anime content? Please understand that I don't want a million different algorithm variants. That would only confuse the normal user. Furthermore, maintaining a lot of different algorithm versions is extra work for me.
Understandable, if it has to go, it has to go. I have no shortage of sharpening options and artefact reduction compromises so it's fine. Yes, i've tried, i perfer no linear light, it helps just a bit.
However i'm sincerely seeing AS being different from from one another (where the line is drawn and attention to fine detail):
original - https://postimg.org/image/yq0j0scpr/
newASnoLL 2.0 - https://postimg.org/image/dt4aw6c4v/
oldAS 2.0 - https://postimg.org/image/9786nut6n/
I dont see that for example in LumaSharpen and the newAS (just a lot more ringing in LumaSharpen):
AS 1.0 - https://postimg.org/image/uosmmoz7j/
LS 4.0 - https://postimg.org/image/hxegg92b3/
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A warning for Win 10 users. The Fall Creators Update installation blew away my madVR custom resolutions. I can recreate them, or revert to last night's backup, but it's a bit of a pain either way.
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Ah, I understand now. Have you seen Neo-XP's and ABDO's posts, though? They don't seem to like the new option. So I'm not really sure what to do now.
Looking again the levels 1-2 with DRTD it actually does very little, I'm happy on sticking with original setting of 1 or 2. Surprisingly 2 with DRTD almost looks softer than without it? I'm not fussed what happens here now.

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I'd suggest if you really want to remove the choice for this option to create low strength presets without it and high strength presets with it. If you think it's a good idea, let me know and I will do more.
Well, I think it's a good idea.

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However i'm sincerely seeing AS being different from from one another (where the line is drawn and attention to fine detail):
Yeah I saw that earlier too, the old AS darkens lines wonderfully, really helps with lower res anime. Since I'm using Avisynth on the lower res stuff I can just use Hysteria to darken lines a touch, but maybe madshi can add a line darkener to madVR himself sometime to help the situation.

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A warning for Win 10 users. The Fall Creators Update installation blew away my madVR custom resolutions. I can recreate them, or revert to last night's backup, but it's a bit of a pain either way.
It probably blew away your display driver altogether. It certainly removed the Nvidia drivers for me (replacing them with some version from windows update). After a big update like this I suggest running Display Driver Uninstaller to do a clean reinstall of the latest drivers.
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It probably blew away your display driver altogether. It certainly removed the Nvidia drivers for me (replacing them with some version from windows update). After a big update like this I suggest running Display Driver Uninstaller to do a clean reinstall of the latest drivers.
I did that, but when I tried to add my custom resolutions, I once again got the dreaded "GPU has rejected..." message.

I ended up restoring my backup, so everything's back to the way it was.
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Maybe we can all decide on the amount of RCA and make a low, medium, and high preset for them similar to debanding.

That would be a lot easier than a scale of 1-10, or is it 12 now?
if you play around with it you will very fast see huge difference between each elvel which amesk them useful well maybe not 10 plus.
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What would be more useful for RCA would be to have madvr detect MPEG-2 and apply RCA medium, while if it detects AVC it applies low, and probably none for HEVC since it's not needed.

That would of course be with the ON setting, where it would detect and apply RCA to remove compression artifacts. That's the only logical way to process the image in my opinion, as just having one setting for all codecs is essentially useless since HEVC doesn't need it at all. It's mainly MPEG-2 that needs to be deblocked. I guess MPEG-4 needs it somewhat too, but to varying degrees.
that's not how this works. a HEVC source can be easily in need of this. while it is even possible to encode in mpeg2 without the need of these features.
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AS Feedback) So I've spent some time with all these new algorithms. Lets start off with AS. I prefer the current AS for real life content. The old one was unusable. I don't like a lot of it, I'm running with a .2 strength on my 720p profile. I do not like AS with LL, softens/blurs the image ever so slightly.

The old AS was better for anime as it helped enhance dark lines and edges, however it was horrible for non anime. I never used it in the past as I don't watch much anime so, my preference is the new one.

Madashi you could always keep both, one as the anime AS and one as the real life AS, lol. That would probably make some users here happy.

I'd suggest removing LL I don't see any use for it.

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I did that, but when I tried to add my custom resolutions, I once again got the dreaded "GPU has rejected..." message.
You should leave some feedback in the hub regarding this. Maybe it's best if MS asks what do do here during the update process.
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Madashi, RCC is great, thanks for all the new updates!

RCC Feedback) My default strength for RCC is 2 for 720, 1 for 1080 and 3 for decent SD content. Anime guys may hate RCC but for real life content it is awesome! I'm not sure why it goes up to a strength of 12, if you need to go that far you might as well be watching a vhs, lol.

I'm currently NOT using the don't reduce texture feature, maybe it can be tweaked slightly. With it on it does help preserve detail but, it also preserves artifacts.

To compensate for the slight loss of detail I'm running RCA with AS and for the first time since you released NGU I've turned enhance detail back on at a very limited .1 - .2 strength.

I notice no difference when checking the chroma option

RCA Feedback) I'm only using RCA for crappy SD sources. I'm not sure why you would use it at a strength of 1 or 2 as it totally destroys a good source and 1-2 is not effective enough on a BAD source. For poor quality videos I'm currently using it at a strength of 3 or above.
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A warning for Win 10 users. The Fall Creators Update installation blew away my madVR custom resolutions. I can recreate them, or revert to last night's backup, but it's a bit of a pain either way.
Well that sucks, so what your saying is MS uninstalls nvidia and then re-installs a fresh clean version? What the hell, lol. I'll wait to see if anyone else is reporting this issue before I upgrade.
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