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Does anyone have Stargate SG-1 Season 1 DVD 1?
Are you able to get the Pilot episode to look GOOD with IVTC or Deinterlace OR both? As well as not ignore the 16:9 during import OR okay after Import but not durring BD-25 Rerender (that's the objective with the rest of the episodes)? A little frustrated, I'll post more soon..
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I have it, but have no reason to do anything with the content.
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UPDATE: I took the first chapter of the pilot and ran it through my script to IVTC it and recode to H.264 (720x480p23.976 16:9). I used 4Mbps, 2-pass. The result looked really good, considering the 6Mbps MPEG-2 source. I did have an issue in that the encoder doesn't seem to like 480i video (MPEG-2 or H.264), as it results in a green bar at the bottom of the image. But, as a test, I resized the video to 1020x1080 before recoding and the same green bar is there. The upscaled video looked damn good, again considering the source. So, it isn't the encoder, but the filter that does the IVTC work. Yep, it was the AVS filter set that I used. I changed to a different one and all was well. Bottom line, I had no trouble doing IVTC to 23.976 and recoding to H.264.
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I've been playing around with BD Rebuilder and importing MKV files I've created myself with MakeMKV from my various discs. I've been trying some movie only MKVs, but am not having much success. Here's an example:
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[12/26/17] Checking System Settings - BD-Rebuilder v0.50.25 - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601] - Working Path Free Space: 60.33GB - AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok - LAVFILTERS: Ok - X264: Ok - AFTEN: Ok - FAAC: Ok - MP4BOX: Ok - WAVI: Ok - TSMUXER: Ok - FRIMEncode: Ok - FRIMDecode: Ok [12/26/17] Systems Settings Check complete ---------------------- [19:16:59] Importing MKV: ELF - Preparing MKV for processing... - Collecting audio/video streams from source... - Building pseudo-BD source structure... - Source issue found, attempting correction... - Building pseudo-BD source structure... [21:02:30]ERROR: Failed to build BD structure. Aborted. ---------------------- |
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Sure...
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General Unique ID : 41011939381608869408184187379477506722 (0x1EDA9CBA01D2DD16311208AC025DEAA2) Complete name : /Volumes/Backups/Rip/Elf.mkv Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 16.9 GiB Duration : 1 h 36 min Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 25.1 Mb/s Movie name : elf Encoded date : UTC 2017-12-17 17:30:48 Writing application : MakeMKV v1.10.8 darwin(x64-release) Writing library : libmakemkv v1.10.8 (1.3.5/1.4.7) darwin(x64-release) Original source medium : Blu-ray Video ID : 1 ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011) Format : VC-1 Format profile : Advanced@L3 Codec ID : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / WVC1 Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft Duration : 1 h 36 min Bit rate : 22.0 Mb/s Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.442 Stream size : 14.8 GiB (88%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Audio ID : 2 ID in the original source medium : 4353 (0x1101) Format : TrueHD Codec ID : A_TRUEHD Duration : 1 h 36 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 1 512 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 2 970 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 spf) Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossless Stream size : 1.02 GiB (6%) Title : Surround 5.1 Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Text #1 ID : 3 ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 30 min Bit rate : 409 kb/s Count of elements : 13409 Stream size : 265 MiB (2%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Text #2 ID : 5 ID in the original source medium : 4609 (0x1201) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 30 min Bit rate : 446 kb/s Count of elements : 13090 Stream size : 289 MiB (2%) Language : German Default : No Forced : No Text #3 ID : 7 ID in the original source medium : 4610 (0x1202) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 36 min Bit rate : 356 kb/s Count of elements : 12785 Stream size : 245 MiB (1%) Language : Spanish Default : No Forced : No Text #4 ID : 9 ID in the original source medium : 4611 (0x1203) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 29 min Bit rate : 139 kb/s Count of elements : 4362 Stream size : 88.6 MiB (1%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Text #5 ID : 11 ID in the original source medium : 4612 (0x1204) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 29 min Bit rate : 164 kb/s Count of elements : 4364 Stream size : 105 MiB (1%) Language : German Default : No Forced : No Text #6 ID : 13 ID in the original source medium : 4613 (0x1205) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 29 min Bit rate : 157 kb/s Count of elements : 4362 Stream size : 100 MiB (1%) Language : Spanish Default : No Forced : No Menu 00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 01 00:03:45.934 : en:Chapter 02 00:08:59.247 : en:Chapter 03 00:14:42.423 : en:Chapter 04 00:21:44.511 : en:Chapter 05 00:25:20.810 : en:Chapter 06 00:33:31.551 : en:Chapter 07 00:38:17.837 : en:Chapter 08 00:42:48.607 : en:Chapter 09 00:51:21.286 : en:Chapter 10 00:57:59.809 : en:Chapter 11 01:05:09.071 : en:Chapter 12 01:07:14.905 : en:Chapter 13 01:12:01.275 : en:Chapter 14 01:17:48.372 : en:Chapter 15 01:25:31.876 : en:Chapter 16 01:31:12.175 : en:Chapter 17 |
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Looks like the boss, jdobbs, is going to have to chime in on this one. I was thinking it was an audio issue, but that shouldn't be it. I've suggested that more info regarding errors be placed in the log, to help with problems like this.
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Once processed by way of High Speed BD25 rerender, the resolution remains but the IVTC leaves some clues that it wasn't completely done. I can see remaining effects in the pipes above the door as the Camera moves around the people at the table. Then, later 1 hour and 21 minutes in through the next minute, I can see more effects on the wings of the ship. These are some sample of not being "smooth". I agree that it LOOKS pretty good, and I know I'm being a bit picky..haha! But there should be a way to make a totally clean video, correct? When I use the option to upscale to 1280x720 it looks very good, but also still leaves some effects. When I use VideoReDo (TVSuite) 5.3.80.....and join the VOBs from IFO and save (MPG) without editing, but adjust the Display to 720x480 and 16:9, the PSEUDO BD file's resolution is kept after import . When I process it as a BD25 with High Speed 2 pass, it's fitted into a 1920x1080 (640:297) 23.976fps display. With same IVTC results. Hmmm... Upscaling is not enabled.
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Yes, I saw some of that as well. You aren't going to be able to fix that, as it looks like issues with the original encoding. This is one of those that use pulldown flags. But, it seems that the 23.976 video that is on the disc has issues. When I run it through VideoReDo, the pulldown flags are removed and we are left with 2:3 pulldown interlaced video. When that is IVTC'd, the issues are still there.
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BTW, you don't join the VOBs with VRD. You select the title and then run the QuickStreamFix option and output to your wrapper of choice. If you go to MKV, you'll get all of the chapter marks, 720x480 and 16:9.
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I'm a bit anal (watch it, Lathe!!!! Muhaha!) when it comes to video. I've come across some 480i's like from the BDs of "Back to the Future" where I have to just accept "interlacing is part of it..and it won't look any better if you continue to mess with it" so if I leave the Interlace alone and just let it rerender it looks close to what the original is. I think it was you that I typed, something about just let the T.V. or the player handle it. That's been challenging for ME to accept but I'm doing...in some cases. Agreed about MKV. I love chapters. I do appreciate that MKV allows a lot of stuff to be retained so that processors like BD-RB is able to process them well; most of the time. I will note that HandBrake, if you leave all filters off and change the framerate to Peak Framerate and Framerate(FPS) you can get an alllllmost totally clean video. Every once in a while some "interlaced" is left. Which is currently more clean than what BD-RB does. But, eh... I much prefer the quality of BD-RB. Anyway, I agree about the Source not being the best. I know I'm nuts, miuh-muh-ha-ha-haha, but it's good to know someone else has noticed it all. For the last bit of fun, I'll check the MKV output from VRD. Otherwise I'm done with this project. Glad to know it's not a BUG with all the hidden options I was checking.
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[QUOTE=AmigaFuture;1828504]I wasn't sure exactly what was doing on. I'm still having challenges understanding Interlaced and hard interlaced but this reply makes sense to me.[quote]
Interlaced and hard interlaced get misused a lot. Where I come from, i.e., years of dealing with video, there are only two forms: interlaced and progressive. If the video has two fields, it is interlaced, pure and simple. What screws up people is the content of those fields. When 24 fps (23.976) progressive is converted to 29.97 interlaced video, it is either 2:3 pulldown or repeat frame. Call it hard interlaced, or whatever, but interlaced is interlaced. What blurs things is man DVD videos will contain progressive video, but that can't be placed on the old interlaced TVs. So the video is flagged with pulldown flags so that when the DVD player outputs the video over the analog outputs, it is 2:3 pulldown interlaced. It is very possible that the newer Blu-ray players will keep the 23.976 frame rate when playing the video over the HDMI outputs. No need to interlace it, since the monitor must be able to play 23.976 480p video. It can be enough to make your hair turn grey. Oh wait... mine is. Quote:
If you step through the video, you will notice that VRD is skipping frame numbers and that the output looks like it is progressive. That is because VRD is honoring the pulldown flags and displaying the video as though it were progressive (which it really is). But, if you recode it within VRD, you'll get 29.97fps interlaced video. If you step through that, you'll see the 2:3 pulldown pattern. So, if you use the VRD main menu option to extract a title from a DVD, you should then be able to present that MKV file to BDRB. BDRB should then be able to handle the video correctly. I do not know what your ultimate goal is. |
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You folks with iVTC issues, there are a couple different ways to do iVTC... generally if you aren't satisfied with the result, try changing IVTC_METHOD (see HIDDENOPTS). Sometimes one method works better than the other.
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Nuhhaaah--haaaahhaaaa.., but Microsoft, Apple and Samsung/Google do.
@ JD I've been playing around more with IVTC_METHOD recently...to understand it better. Appreciate the tip though. I _was_ still under the impression than Deinterlace and iVTC could both be used at the same time. Silly me. They probably Can, if the decoder does iVTC first and THEN deinterlace and then compressed..?? Again, I'm _still_ learning. @ MrVideo Okay, I think I understand..now that 3:2 pulldown is Interlaced in this episode. Once you get the interlaced out of the way, then use iVTC. Hmm..I'll check that. It means rerendering it twice, but I'll check the results. I understand, better, perhaps now. I'll mess around some more. That description of "hard interlace" makes more sense to me than other stuff that's more complicated that I've read. My objective (Lathe...hahaha) is to combine all the Stargate SG-1 DVDs into Seasonal BDs and have them be totally progressive or as close as possible. OR...just have them look GOOD so a family member is able to watch them from a list. Also including Subtitles from DVD's CC.
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If you de-interlace 2:3 pulldown interlaced video, you still end up with 29.97 video, but the 2:3 pulldown is destroyed in the process. Therefore there is nothing to IVTC. IMHO, de-interlacing should only be used on video that is sourced from a video camera. Many people do not like the staircase/combing effect caused by rapid motion, as in sports. But, de-interlacing said video results in spatial time being lowered from 59.94 fields/sec to 29.97 frames/sec. But, that is a whole separate discussion. Quote:
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