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Old 10th August 2020, 21:54   #29841  |  Link
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Ok, I went and had a look at a competitive product (Staxrip) and guess what ... there's no issues with the file ... my TV shows that HDR10+ is played
Here's the commandline used:
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U:\Tools\Staxrip\Apps\Encoders\NVEnc\NVEncC64.exe --avhw --vbrhq 0 --codec h265 --preset performance --profile main10 --level 5.1 --output-depth 10 --max-bitrate 30000 --vbr-quality 0 --aq --aq-temporal --bref-mode each --strict-gop --output-buf 128 --master-display "G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,50)" --dhdr10-info U:\Output\WORKFILES\VID_00685.JSON --colormatrix bt2020nc --colorprim bt2020 --transfer smpte2084 --colorrange auto --max-cll "1000,0" --chromaloc 2 --aud -i U:\Temp\BOHEMIAN_RHAPSODY_temp\BOHEMIAN_RHAPSODY.h265 -o U:\Temp\BOHEMIAN_RHAPSODY_temp\BOHEMIAN_RHAPSODY_temp_out.h265
(I used the JSON that was extracted by BDRB)

Now I have to figure out what causes the issues ... any clues?

[edit]
Here the BDRB Command line
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"U:\BD_Rebuilder\tools\nvenc\nvencc.exe" --avhw -i "U:\FULLDISC\BOHEMIAN_RHAPSODY\BDMV\STREAM\00685.m2ts" --codec hevc --preset performance --profile main10 --output-depth 10 --repeat-headers --chromaloc 2 --colorprim bt2020 --transfer smpte2084 --colormatrix bt2020nc --master-display G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,50) --dhdr10-info "U:\OUTPUT\WORKFILES\VID_00685.JSON" --qp-min 0 --vbr 0 --vbr-quality 25 --aq-temporal --keyfile "U:\OUTPUT\WORKFILES\VID_00685.CHP" --aud --pic-struct --vbv-bufsize 45000 --max-bitrate 48000 --gop-len 48 -o "U:\OUTPUT\WORKFILES\VID_00685.AVS.hevc"

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Old 10th August 2020, 22:08   #29842  |  Link
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Can you compare the two command lines to see if there are any differences?
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Old 10th August 2020, 22:36   #29843  |  Link
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Can you compare the two command lines to see if there are any differences?
Posted above ... some quality differences ... could --strict-gop be the culprit ?
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Old 10th August 2020, 23:52   #29844  |  Link
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Here are the differences between the two command lines, all common switches removed
Don't have HDR10+ capability so you gonna have to test

Staxrip
Code:
--vbrhq 0   --level 5.1 --max-bitrate 30000 --vbr-quality 0 --aq  --bref-mode each --strict-gop --output-buf 128
  --colorrange auto --max-cll "1000,0"
BDRB
Code:
--repeat-headers    --qp-min 0 --vbr 0 --vbr-quality 25  --keyfile "U:\OUTPUT\WORKFILES\VID_00685.CHP"  --pic-struct 
--vbv-bufsize 45000 --max-bitrate 48000 --gop-len 48
Use the command line , I would try removing the --keyfile entry and changing --gop-len to 24 on the BDRB line

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Old 11th August 2020, 02:09   #29845  |  Link
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Working on a recent bug report by cartman0208, and guess what... I found a bug that apparently has been there since at least 2012 (see this post). That has to be a record for time-from-report-to-fix.

[Edit] Nope. It wasn't a record. I found a reference to that error dating back to 2009! It was a really obscure error that can only happen under very rare certain circumstances and only then if there is secondary video.
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Old 11th August 2020, 02:11   #29846  |  Link
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Ok, I went and had a look at a competitive product (Staxrip) and guess what ... there's no issues with the file ... my TV shows that HDR10+ is played
Here's the commandline used:

(I used the JSON that was extracted by BDRB)

Now I have to figure out what causes the issues ... any clues?

[edit]
Here the BDRB Command line
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Posted above ... some quality differences ... could --strict-gop be the culprit ?
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Had some issues getting back on Doom9
Here are the differences between the two command lines, all common switches removed
Don't have HDR10+ capability so you gonna have to test

Staxrip
Code:
--vbrhq 0   --level 5.1 --max-bitrate 30000 --vbr-quality 0 --aq  --bref-mode each --strict-gop --output-buf 128
  --colorrange auto --max-cll "1000,0"
BDRB
Code:
--repeat-headers    --qp-min 0 --vbr 0 --vbr-quality 25  --keyfile "U:\OUTPUT\WORKFILES\VID_00685.CHP"  --pic-struct 
--vbv-bufsize 45000 --max-bitrate 48000 --gop-len 48
Use the command line , I would try removing the --keyfile entry and changing --gop-len to 24 on the BDRB line
Interesting. Please let me know what you find.
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Old 11th August 2020, 19:43   #29847  |  Link
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Its a multi part source. I cant find any single part source disks that have this problem.
This turned out to be a TSMUXER issue. I'd updated the version used for 4k adjustments to try and keep up with the improvements. The new one uses a new naming convention when concatenating files.

I hope there aren't more surprises like that.
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This turned out to be a TSMUXER issue. I'd updated the version used for 4k adjustments to try and keep up with the improvements. The new one uses a new naming convention when concatenating files.

I hope there aren't more surprises like that.
I'll rerun Howls & Watchmen with the next release & give you feedback.

Thanks!
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Old 12th August 2020, 17:45   #29849  |  Link
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Interesting. Please let me know what you find.
OK, after 2 days of testing, gradually removing paramters from the stax-string and then adding the parameters from the BDRB string (which I should have done the other way around, because I found it on the second-to-last parameter ) the cause for the flickering is found ...
If the --pic-struct is removed from the command line string, the file plays fine.

But I also noticed, some scenes are WAY to dark on my TV.
A file with intact video (vFormat=8 in the alternate.txt) on the other hand is bright in the same scenes.
I'll do some more testing to find the cause for that...
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Old 12th August 2020, 19:54   #29850  |  Link
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Bug on HEVC/V3 BluRays and x264/LAVF frameserving:

Code:
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:38:07] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:38:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:38:09] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
 - [20:38:09] Multiplexing M2TS
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00001.meta
 - Can't open file: Q:\4K\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.hevc
[20:38:13] - Failed to build structure, aborted
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:39:11] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:39:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:39:12] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
 - [20:39:12] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:39:17] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:39:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
 - [20:39:21] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 557 frames
   - Bitrate: 1.424 Kbs
 - [20:39:21] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
 - [20:40:12] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
 - [20:40:49] Video Encode complete
 - [20:40:49] PredictAndEncode() 00053  2809
[20:40:56] - Aborted by user request
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:40:59] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:41:01] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:41:01] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:41:01] Processing audio tracks
 - [20:41:01] Multiplexing M2TS
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00002.meta
 - Can't open file: Q:\4K\WORKFILES\VID_00002.AVS.hevc
[20:41:05] - Failed to build structure, aborted
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:41:22] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:41:23] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:41:23] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:41:23] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:41:27] Processing: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
 - [20:41:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
 - [20:41:31] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 279 frames
   - Bitrate: 2.160 Kbs
 - [20:41:31] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
 - [20:42:27] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
 - [20:43:18] Video Encode complete
 - [20:43:18] PredictAndEncode() 00053  2809
[20:43:21] - Aborted by user request
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:43:30] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:43:31] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:43:31] Processing: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
 - [20:43:31] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:43:32] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:43:35]PHASE ONE complete
[20:43:35]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:43:35] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[20:43:36] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:43:36] Writing BD structure to ISO file
 - ImgBurn completed successfully
 - SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P folder removed.
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[20:43:47] JOB: SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P finished.
The name of the encoded file is false. When I rename the file manually, BDRB works correct.

With directshow no problems.
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Old 12th August 2020, 20:25   #29851  |  Link
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OK, after 2 days of testing, gradually removing paramters from the stax-string and then adding the parameters from the BDRB string (which I should have done the other way around, because I found it on the second-to-last parameter ) the cause for the flickering is found ...
If the --pic-struct is removed from the command line string, the file plays fine.

But I also noticed, some scenes are WAY to dark on my TV.
A file with intact video (vFormat=8 in the alternate.txt) on the other hand is bright in the same scenes.
I'll do some more testing to find the cause for that...
Thanks! Your help is very much appreciated -- I had no way of testing it myself.

[Edit] I went back through requirements of the BD standard information that I have to see when the pic-structure is needed, and I think removing that parameter will be ok.
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Old 12th August 2020, 20:35   #29852  |  Link
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Bug on HEVC/V3 BluRays and x264/LAVF frameserving:

Code:
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:38:07] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:38:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:38:09] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
 - [20:38:09] Multiplexing M2TS
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00001.meta
 - Can't open file: Q:\4K\WORKFILES\VID_00001.AVS.hevc
[20:38:13] - Failed to build structure, aborted
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:39:11] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:39:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:39:12] Processing: VID_00001 (2 of 4)
 - [20:39:12] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:39:17] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:39:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
 - [20:39:21] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 557 frames
   - Bitrate: 1.424 Kbs
 - [20:39:21] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
 - [20:40:12] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
 - [20:40:49] Video Encode complete
 - [20:40:49] PredictAndEncode() 00053  2809
[20:40:56] - Aborted by user request
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:40:59] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:41:01] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:41:01] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:41:01] Processing audio tracks
 - [20:41:01] Multiplexing M2TS
 - Error in attempt to multiplex: MUX_00002.meta
 - Can't open file: Q:\4K\WORKFILES\VID_00002.AVS.hevc
[20:41:05] - Failed to build structure, aborted
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:41:22] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:41:23] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:41:23] Processing: VID_00002 (3 of 4)
 - [20:41:23] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [20:41:27] Processing: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
 - [20:41:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
 - [20:41:31] Reencoding video [VID_00003]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 279 frames
   - Bitrate: 2.160 Kbs
 - [20:41:31] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
 - [20:42:27] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
 - [20:43:18] Video Encode complete
 - [20:43:18] PredictAndEncode() 00053  2809
[20:43:21] - Aborted by user request
----------------------
[08.12.20] BD Rebuilder v0.61.10
[20:43:30] Source:  SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P
  - Input BD size: 29,48 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:48:22.412]
  - Target BD size: 4,41 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - HEVC/V3 mode for BD disc enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=448
- Resuming from previously started job.
[20:43:31] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:43:31] Processing: VID_00003 (4 of 4)
 - [20:43:31] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [20:43:32] Multiplexing M2TS
[20:43:35]PHASE ONE complete
[20:43:35]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:43:35] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[20:43:36] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[20:43:36] Writing BD structure to ISO file
 - ImgBurn completed successfully
 - SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P folder removed.
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[20:43:47] JOB: SONNTAG_IN_NEW_YORK_1963_1080P finished.
The name of the encoded file is false. When I rename the file manually, BDRB works correct.

With directshow no problems.
I don't think UHD_V3_MODE is ready for full backups yet. It's definitely only experimental -- and it should probably only be used experimentally for MOVIE-ONLY backups.

With that said -- I'll do some testing to see why the filename issue is popping up.
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OK, after 2 days of testing, gradually removing paramters from the stax-string and then adding the parameters from the BDRB string (which I should have done the other way around, because I found it on the second-to-last parameter ) the cause for the flickering is found ...
If the --pic-struct is removed from the command line string, the file plays fine.

But I also noticed, some scenes are WAY to dark on my TV.
A file with intact video (vFormat=8 in the alternate.txt) on the other hand is bright in the same scenes.
I'll do some more testing to find the cause for that...
Well done
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Thanks! Your help is very much appreciated -- I had no way of testing it myself.

[Edit] I went back through requirements of the BD standard information that I have to see when the pic-structure is needed, and I think removing that parameter will be ok.
I'll try to get my hands on a HDR10+ capable player, to see if the flicker is there when played from disk...
If not, then it might be enough if the parameter is removed in alternate output only.

What does this parameter do anyway? I read something about shutter timings
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--pic-struct <integer>

Set the picture structure and emits it in the picture timing SEI message. Values in the range 0..12. See D.3.3 of the HEVC spec. for a detailed explanation. Required for HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) signalling. Not signalled by default.
Not required for HDR10+
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Not required for HDR10+
I went through the spec -- and there are three conditions where it has to be used... none of which really apply to HEVC/UHD.
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I was referring to x265 (HEVC)
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After some more testing I'm pretty sure, that's an encoder thing ...

My TV is showing the HDR10+ logo when playing the intact file, which is bright, also the file encoded with x265 and metadata.

Same brightness on an encoded file, either x265 and nvenc (surprisingly), without HDR10+ metadata, TV then shows a HDR-Logo

A file encoded with nvencc plus metadata also shows the HDR10+ logo, but dark scenes are much too dark, barely visible... where in the same scene on the other files everything was distinguishable...

I tried playing with maxcll values, but that doesn't help either ... plus - I don't want to mess up the original settings

I even tried to set my TV to max backlight and brightness, still too dark

Any ideas what else I could try?
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After some more testing I'm pretty sure, that's an encoder thing ...

My TV is showing the HDR10+ logo when playing the intact file, which is bright, also the file encoded with x265 and metadata.

Same brightness on an encoded file, either x265 and nvenc (surprisingly), without HDR10+ metadata, TV then shows a HDR-Logo

A file encoded with nvencc plus metadata also shows the HDR10+ logo, but dark scenes are much too dark, barely visible... where in the same scene on the other files everything was distinguishable...

I tried playing with maxcll values, but that doesn't help either ... plus - I don't want to mess up the original settings

I even tried to set my TV to max backlight and brightness, still too dark

Any ideas what else I could try?
Does it look the same if you use the "copy" feature in the command line (with NVENCC) instead of the JSON reference?

I wish I could help, but I have no equipment that has the ability to playback HDR10+.
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Does it look the same if you use the "copy" feature in the command line (with NVENCC) instead of the JSON reference?

I wish I could help, but I have no equipment that has the ability to playback HDR10+.
Yep, "copy" or using the JSON file gives the same negative result...

The file is extracted with
Code:
ffmpeg -i "input.m2ts" -c:v copy -vbsf hevc_mp4toannexb -f hevc - | hdr10plus_parser.exe -o metadata.json -
Correct?

Problem might be, that rigaya does not have the equipment either. I think I'll post an issue on his github page.

I suggest to disable the feature by default and only enable it optional... until the root cause is found.
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