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9th November 2019, 20:00 | #6861 | Link | |
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10th November 2019, 06:36 | #6863 | Link |
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This link is in Readme.md. Look carefully.
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10th November 2019, 23:02 | #6865 | Link |
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I can't seem to get MPC-BE to remember the last file position consistently like MPC-HC. I'm on MPC-BE 1.54 beta build 4850 and it still won't act right with regards to this. Will the nightly builds fix this issue?
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11th November 2019, 00:22 | #6866 | Link | |
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One thing I like about MPC-HC is, it still supports VMR9 (renderless), no more supported by MPC-BE. VMR9 works well for me when the Internal Subtitle Renderer is used (not about the highest video quality, but about subtitle frame-accurateness). However I don't use ISR in MPC-BE, so this is not so important after all. Imho both HC and BE are great players, and perhaps both are about the same for many practical purposes (like watching anime). I think -hc uses the 3rd party LAV filters, while -be uses its own internal filters by default. But optionally you can use external LAV filters too, if you disable internal ones. -hc is currently in the maintenance mode, while -be is being actively developed. So basically you shouldn't ask for new features in MPC-HC, while you could freely request (at least ask) something new to the MPC-BE devs if you'd like to. |
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11th November 2019, 03:54 | #6867 | Link |
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Take FullHD or 4k videos with sharp lines and object guards. Watch this video in a smaller window (less than 50%) using EVR-CP. You will see how poorly frame reduction works in MPC-HC. You can make thumbnails for this video. As far as I remember, MPC-HC is also losing here.
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11th November 2019, 05:11 | #6868 | Link |
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11th November 2019, 23:57 | #6870 | Link |
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Tested 1440×1080 MKV for now. Both MPC-HC and MPC-BE can make thumbnails similarly in EVR-CP, but I noticed something different. When madVR is selected, MPC-BE includes ASS softsubs even if "Include subtitles" is unchecked (both ISR and xysubfilter are tested). The same happens with [Alt]+[I]. With EVR-CP, "Include subtitles" yes/no options work ok. Is this by design? Further, it seems that S_VOBSUB (not S_ASS) subs are NOT included in thumbnails even if "Include subtitles" is checked, under madVR+xysubfilter. S_VOBSUB subs are included ok with madVR+ISR. Can you reproduce this strange behavior? |
12th November 2019, 00:48 | #6871 | Link |
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"Include subtitles" off can not working for madVR because it's can "render" subtitles itself. About madVR+xysubfilter - ask it's author. About thumbnails - try for 4K video and see difference
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12th November 2019, 01:36 | #6872 | Link | |
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I'll test 4K when I have a chance. Thanks again EDIT Tested with Scott4kUhd.mov (4096x2160) from https://archive.org/details/NASA-Ultra-High-Definition: Both HC and BE can generate thumbnails, but quality differences are obvious in some cases (both EVR-CP): HC (above) vs. BE (below: at least readable) I'd say each player has its forte and weak points, especially in minor details, rarely used settings, etc. Though personally I don't think such subtle differences are critical in everyday usage, and I don't think one can say MPC-HC is not good because of this limitation, it's true that MPC-BE is being actively improved while MPC-HC is officially inactive, thus perhaps BE tends to be more careful in details. Last edited by Liisachan; 13th November 2019 at 08:25. |
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14th November 2019, 12:39 | #6873 | Link |
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You underestimate the problem. Video flickers when reducing the frame size in EVR-CP (in the MPC-HC implementation) as opposed to a static frame. Other issues are becoming noticeable. It is impossible to watch. This is worse than system EVR. I made a comparative video. It is better to look at a scale of 100% (Alt + 2).
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14th November 2019, 13:39 | #6874 | Link |
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your video show mpc-hc using NN for downscaling or something like that which is just terribile. butis that the case wuth the current release version of mpc-hc EVR CP respect the choice resizer even for more then 50 % downscaling.
both EVR and EVR-CP in mpc-hc go pretty nuts below 25%(if not 12.5%) scaling mpc-be does a better job here. both mpc-be and mpc-hc are not the newest vesrion but both are atleast form this year. no matter how you look at it the thumbnail generation of mpc-hc isn't doing a greate job. madVR has it's own screenshoot function over writing other settings. options are under rendering -> screenshoots. another major difference between mpc-be and mpc-hc is youtube video handling. mpc-hc is clearly more powerful because it is not limited at all it supports to many sevices to count... but it's not a part of mpc-hc you have to manuel add youtubedl mpc-be works out of the box. |
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mpc-be also support youtube-dl
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14th November 2019, 14:54 | #6877 | Link |
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I uploaded the video. EVR works correctly for me. Yes, there is a slight difference in working with NV12 and P010. But the result of the MPC-HC EVR-CP is simply incorrect. You can not use pixel interpolation when you do a strong frame reduction, you must use convolution.
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14th November 2019, 15:26 | #6878 | Link |
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yes i saw your video and it's horrific but on the other hand is it realistic?
you scaled 2160p to far below 480p not sure how often that's needed. there is nothing wrong in fixing it obviously but for UHD to FHD EVR-CP in mpc-hc is "ok" and that's an absolute realistic use case. |
14th November 2019, 16:49 | #6879 | Link | |
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The initial question was about the difference between MPC-BE and MPC-HC. I reported the differences of EVR-CP. If I say that MPC-BE supports DVD-Audio better than MPC-HC, then you also say that this is an unhelpful advantage? If you do not want to hear about the shortcomings of MPC-HC, then this discussion is not for you.
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14th November 2019, 17:49 | #6880 | Link |
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i just don't understand why take such a niche case and not other cases. so i didn't even deny that it better how mpc-be handles this i just have a huge problem seeing the need for this.
i'm just disagreeing on one point and only on the important of that point and i'm already in the "If you do not want to hear about the shortcomings of MPC-HC, then this discussion is not for you." team? if this is to offensive how is it even possible to discuss this if i'm not allowed to stated an opinion and back it up with he question if this is used a lot? just take easy to see things like direct access to audio and subtitle directly in the control panel. dual audio output. LFE redirect. audio up mixing(never tested it) HDR->SDR conversation in EVR. you know this list much better then i do. |
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